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tim bunce

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I have a question,

On BFP board G there are what appear to be storage tanks, eg hex U3. There are no terrain rules included
in B&J. Are these to be treated as buildings or storage tanks as in ITR HSR 3.

A problem for those who dont have ITR.

Which they should have, as its ace
 

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The tanks could be ground level tanks as in RB or elevated tanks as in PB or ItR. The effects will differ in their ground level.

Unless stated otherwise assume that they normal buildings.
 

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The tanks could be ground level tanks as in RB or elevated tanks as in PB or ItR. The effects will differ in their ground level.

Unless stated otherwise assume that they normal buildings.
That cannot be entered... only bypassed.
 

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Tim,

Yes, they are Storage Tanks.

Chas

I have a question,

On BFP board G there are what appear to be storage tanks, eg hex U3. There are no terrain rules included
in B&J. Are these to be treated as buildings or storage tanks as in ITR HSR 3.

A problem for those who dont have ITR.

Which they should have, as its ace
 

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Hi Chas-

Are the multiple in hex buildings for the B&J boards huts, lumber yards or just a cluster of wooden buildings?


Scott
 

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Hi Chas-

Are the multiple in hex buildings for the B&J boards huts, lumber yards or just a cluster of wooden buildings?


Scott

Huts only come into effect per a special rule. The lumber yards and buildings are easily distinguishable from each other.

CHas
 

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Just got mine today - WOW - Impressive.

On the original discussion points my views are:

-DW Map concept. - I like and I love getting new maps.

- Ground Attack Aircraft - Not fussed either way - if anything its just causing me more storage problems.

-Terrain Counters - I like these

On the points raised since i.e Map colours and packaging. The maps look great to me. The packaging was not an issue, but I ordered through a UK retailer who may have ordered more than one copy and I am not sure how they were packaged to the retailer - I would not object to paying more for packaging to protect quality products.

I think it is another high quality product from BF - I have but one moan and it is a European moan only (perhaps only a UK moan). It is this. I really love the BF Scenario cards but I like to keep my scenario cards in page protectors and I have to trim Letter size cards down to fit them into A4 page protectors, but the BF products put so much info on their scenario cards that they skimp on the left and right margins. I cannot trim them so have to scan and print them on blank A4 card - how about a BF product strictly for the European/UK market - just a pack of 200 American Letter size page protectors - I cannot fid a company that ships them abroad - hey I would probably buy 5 or 6 of them and protect my core rules sets at the same time - maybe with a specially designed BF ring binder folder to keep it all in.

Seriously though a great product - cannot wait for the next one.
 

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I think it is another high quality product from BF - I have but one moan and it is a European moan only (perhaps only a UK moan). It is this. I really love the BF Scenario cards but I like to keep my scenario cards in page protectors and I have to trim Letter size cards down to fit them into A4 page protectors, but the BF products put so much info on their scenario cards that they skimp on the left and right margins. I cannot trim them so have to scan and print them on blank A4 card - how about a BF product strictly for the European/UK market - just a pack of 200 American Letter size page protectors - I cannot fid a company that ships them abroad - hey I would probably buy 5 or 6 of them and protect my core rules sets at the same time - maybe with a specially designed BF ring binder folder to keep it all in.
You won't believe what I've started doing. I just ordered and recieved 100 American letter sized page protectors from Amazon in America. The page protectors cost me $16 which is fine, but Amazon.com only allow express delivery by courier on this product to Europe so the postage cost me something like $40! Plus there was a customs deposit of $10 so in the end I paid £44 (GBP) for 100 page protectors. They arrived in 2 days, lol. Talk about express delivery. But at least now I have some US sized protectors for my important scenarios that I do not want to trim.
 

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You won't believe what I've started doing. I just ordered and recieved 100 American letter sized page protectors from Amazon in America. The page protectors cost me $16 which is fine, but Amazon.com only allow express delivery by courier on this product to Europe so the postage cost me something like $40! Plus there was a customs deposit of $10 so in the end I paid £44 (GBP) for 100 page protectors. They arrived in 2 days, lol. Talk about express delivery. But at least now I have some US sized protectors for my important scenarios that I do not want to trim.
Honza:

Don't do that again... ;) I need A4s and they're dumb expensive here for the same reason. PM me and we can work something out at cheaper shipping, I'm sure. :)

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Honza:

Don't do that again... ;) I need A4s and they're dumb expensive here for the same reason. PM me and we can work something out at cheaper shipping, I'm sure. :)

S
Okay, sounds good. Thanks.
 

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You won't believe what I've started doing. I just ordered and recieved 100 American letter sized page protectors from Amazon in America. The page protectors cost me $16 which is fine, but Amazon.com only allow express delivery by courier on this product to Europe so the postage cost me something like $40! Plus there was a customs deposit of $10 so in the end I paid £44 (GBP) for 100 page protectors. They arrived in 2 days, lol. Talk about express delivery. But at least now I have some US sized protectors for my important scenarios that I do not want to trim.
Ouch!

I have every single rules page and scenario in a sheet protector. I counted yesterday and had 11 different binders. I need to buy stock in Office Depot (sheet protectors, 2" D-ring binders, lamination machine, lamination sheets, large Post-It Notes to mark boundaries when playing on HASL maps, etc). I'm sick.

* Rulebook
* Vehicle Notes
* AH/MMP Historical rules and scenarios
* TTP Historical rules and scenarios
* Core module scenarios
* DASL scenarios
* Annual and Journal scenarios
* The General, Rout Report, ASLUG, Tactiques and other older scenarios
* Schwerpunkt and LfT scenarios
* Heat of Battle, Dispatches and other TPP scenarios
* The 'will play' scenarios - newest, latest and greatest that I take to tourneys and have handy to read and/or play.
 

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Ouch!

I have every single rules page and scenario in a sheet protector. I counted yesterday and had 11 different binders. I need to buy stock in Office Depot (sheet protectors, 2" D-ring binders, lamination machine, lamination sheets, large Post-It Notes to mark boundaries when playing on HASL maps, etc). I'm sick.
Only 11? :)
 

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You won't believe what I've started doing. I just ordered and recieved 100 American letter sized page protectors from Amazon in America. The page protectors cost me $16 which is fine, but Amazon.com only allow express delivery by courier on this product to Europe so the postage cost me something like $40! Plus there was a customs deposit of $10 so in the end I paid £44 (GBP) for 100 page protectors. They arrived in 2 days, lol. Talk about express delivery. But at least now I have some US sized protectors for my important scenarios that I do not want to trim.
The Marbig A4 sheet protectors we get here in Australia fit letter sized paper easily. I'm surprised that you can't find these in the UK.
 

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Ouch!

I have every single rules page and scenario in a sheet protector. I counted yesterday and had 11 different binders. I need to buy stock in Office Depot (sheet protectors, 2" D-ring binders, lamination machine, lamination sheets, large Post-It Notes to mark boundaries when playing on HASL maps, etc). I'm sick.

* Rulebook
* Vehicle Notes
* AH/MMP Historical rules and scenarios
* TTP Historical rules and scenarios
* Core module scenarios
* DASL scenarios
* Annual and Journal scenarios
* The General, Rout Report, ASLUG, Tactiques and other older scenarios
* Schwerpunkt and LfT scenarios
* Heat of Battle, Dispatches and other TPP scenarios
* The 'will play' scenarios - newest, latest and greatest that I take to tourneys and have handy to read and/or play.
Rob,

I know your pain.

If you ever decide to "move". You will have to palletize just the rule books and all the scenario binders.
 

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Ouch!

I have every single rules page and scenario in a sheet protector. I counted yesterday and had 11 different binders. I need to buy stock in Office Depot (sheet protectors, 2" D-ring binders, lamination machine, lamination sheets, large Post-It Notes to mark boundaries when playing on HASL maps, etc). I'm sick.

* Rulebook
* Vehicle Notes
* AH/MMP Historical rules and scenarios
* TTP Historical rules and scenarios
* Core module scenarios
* DASL scenarios
* Annual and Journal scenarios
* The General, Rout Report, ASLUG, Tactiques and other older scenarios
* Schwerpunkt and LfT scenarios
* Heat of Battle, Dispatches and other TPP scenarios
* The 'will play' scenarios - newest, latest and greatest that I take to tourneys and have handy to read and/or play.
I have taken a different approach. I have HTML'd all my core rules. I have scanned all the rules from TPP, scenarios, and ancillary items to PDF files. Everything fits onto a netbook (~2.5lbs). I added a small portable printer. Both fit nicely into a smallish bag which houses charts, system counters, dice, and my Pleva dice tower. I got tired of lugging all of that crap to ASL tournaments (especially ASLOK where the play list was not announced in advance). -- jim
 

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I have had a little more time to think about B&J. I gave a quick impressions report on another thread, but I will try to give a bit more thought than initial "WOW".

I commented before on the DW board issue. A definite yes, the only limit is imagination.

Though some have a lack of enthusiasm over the aircraft counters, I give them a hearty YES. I like the contrast between the almost impotent 30's FB to the Dalek like 45 FB.

Terrain counters. I have slightly mixed feelings. Though at first sight they seem crude, short of transparent overlays, they are the only way to modify elevated terrain, so a yes.

Counters:
Various fire(d) counters: excellent idea, repeat when counter space allows.
Dug in: Good idea, should have enough now.
No ?ammo?: again excellent, repeat when counter space allows.

One alternative is that given that for most guns/vehicles the limited ammo only will give a few shots is to use "ammo" rather than "no ammo". This would have the advantage that counters come off rather than add to the pile. Just a thought, but I am damn glad to see the "no ammo" counters.

Overall the counters are excellent, with only the slightest mis-registration in the cutting of one sheet (but no information lost, just being nitpicking). The ones that tickled my fancy were the Axis/Allied Minor & Chinese captured/lend leased SW, the Chinese & Japanese FT17, Japanese NC-27, Ho-I, Vickers Crossly AC and Chinese I-16 (one of my favourite aircraft). The white core is a non issue for me.

The only real omission I have found is the lack of page numbering on the vehicular and gun notes. On a matter of taste I find the wooden buildings a bit too red, though there is no risk mixing up wood and stone buildings like with some of the AH era maps. No doubt the published sticky errata will grow over time, but this is inevitable with such a massive and I do mean massive product.

I have read and enjoyed most of the articles in the magazine. I found the historical ones useful both for the OB information and for explaining the historical background for the forces. The "how to" (along with the similar ones in LFT 12) articles will need a couple more readings by me to fully absorb, but I will definitely get good use of them as I am very shaky regarding jungle rules.

I will only briefly comment on the scenario as I only had a chance to skim through, but the number and diversity made my head spin. At least now I have a fair choice of non-jungle or cave scenarios to use my Japanese.

Overall, B&J is the equal to any official or TPP ASL item. The only TPP items that impressed me as much when they came out were HoB's OtO and LFT's OpCh, you have beaten OtO and I can't decide between B&J and OpCh. I look forward to your next product.
 

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Great product overall. I was hesitant at first, but I am glad I bought it. My comments:

Love the map concept! More Double Wides please.

I have mixed feelings on the terrain counters. Limited use is OK.

I have enough aircraft counters, don't need anymore.
 

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Now that I have had a week or so to look BnJ over a bit, it is fabulous. Great production quality, scenarios up to ying yang and a great magazine to boot. Worth every penny.

One additional "discussion point" -- I'd like to see larger counter font wherever possible. Some notations are pretty difficult to read.
 

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Played BFP49 - Just a Drive Along The Beach. It was a blast, plenty of replay value.

Anyway, we had a question. The scenario uses the BRT HASL map, hex rows C-L and hexes 15-50 are in play. This area includes the paved runway but cuts off part of the non-paved taxi runway.

The Americans win if there are <= three Good order Jap MMCs South of the airfield. Does this include the hexes between the paved and non-paved portions (ie K37, M37...) or does "South of the airfield" mean South of the paved runway?

Thanks,
Rich
 

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Played BFP49 - Just a Drive Along The Beach. It was a blast, plenty of replay value.

Anyway, we had a question. The scenario uses the BRT HASL map, hex rows C-L and hexes 15-50 are in play. This area includes the paved runway but cuts off part of the non-paved taxi runway.

The Americans win if there are <= three Good order Jap MMCs South of the airfield. Does this include the hexes between the paved and non-paved portions (ie K37, M37...) or does "South of the airfield" mean South of the paved runway?

Thanks,
Rich
You are correct Rich...it is south of the "paved" runway to meet the Mission Requirements.
 
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