BFP 3 Discussion Points

[JRKrejsa]

- Double wide map: YES
- Terrain counters: I can take em, or leave em.
- Plane counters: um, not so much... I mean, I won't kick them out of my plano, but they are rarely used.
- Color scenario cards: Like em. I like the miniature map (with overlays) that lets you see what the terrain is. cool.

I forgot to mention that in my post. The reduced scale map on the scenario card is great. No need to try to imagine, "which side of that board is the hill on... " You can see what ground you are fighting over with out having to set up the boards.

 

[nebel]

WIth Black or White numbers?

I will leave some room for artistic license.
As long as they have a yellow stripe on the back for the reduced strength effect...

 

[burniefox]

I forgot to mention that in my post. The reduced scale map on the scenario card is great. No need to try to imagine, "which side of that board is the hill on... " You can see what ground you are fighting over with out having to set up the boards.

YES! I would second this -- the reduced-scale color map on the card is AWESOME.

B-

 

[Chas]

The value of the terrain counters is that they can be placed on any level, etc, which allows them to be used for things that overlays cannot. As in change that one hex on hill whatever. Oddly, many comments to me in the past have been to do the Debris overlays in counter form, now I hear the opposite

There are a good number of DW boards being used in PTing, and so there will definitely be more of these. I appreciate the input, some of the recommended terrain is already designed, some not.

Thank you for the input,
Chas

 

[RobZagnut]

Here are my thoughts as you asked for discussion and how it could impact future designs. So, I'm taking this stuff seriously!

DW Map concept.

I like the concept but I think you will get more mileage if you include three mapboards that can meet in the middle, all with each other. This will give you much more flexibilty. Currently with boards A and B you have one option:

A - B

If you had three DW boards (A, B, C) that could all meet in the middle your options would be:

A - B
A - C
B - C

The cost of one more board triples your options. Someone mentioned two hills like High Ground, but you could have:

A = One level 3 Hill sloping to a small village (connected at the village)
B = Two level 3 Hills sloping to a small village
C = One level 2 (or 4) Hill sloping to a sparse village

Obviously the choices are endless.

Ground Attack Aircraft

Beautiful counters, but I'm looking for more as we've got Aircraft counters from numerous sources already. The Swedish pack, your Japanese paratroopers and Thai units raised the bar on the possibilities that you can give us.

* Russian Guard units - dark red, instead of the black of the SS.
* Marines - marine blue (or whatever they call the color of their dress pants)
* Sissi - darkest grey
* Ghurka - dark brown

My point is I threw away my blue German SS, because I like how the black SS look on the board, especially when they're mixed with regular German units. Dark red Russian Guards units or blue Marine units with accompanying scenarios would look extremely cool on an ASL board. No one else has tried it and it would set BFP apart. Look how valuable and collectable A Bridge Too Far and the HoB SS #1 and #2 packs have become just because of those darn black SS countersheets.

Terrain Counters

This depends on how far MMP takes the clear overlays.

 

[Paul M. Weir]

Soviet Guards were not a separate organisation, just units that had distinguished themselves in combat.
NKVD, workers battalions and Soviet marines were separate organisations.

Sissi were elite commando style units but still regular Finnish army.

Gurkha were regionally/ethnically distinct but still part of the Indian Army. Maybe just, but the same applies to Maori units in the New Zealand army.
Britain had Royal Marine Commandos.

Japan had SNLF (naval infantry) units.

Should German Paratroops, Marine Infantry and Volkssturm have their own colours as they were also separate organisations?

Personally, I rarely use the "Men in Black", only if I wish to piss off someone.

 

[sswann]

US Marines are members of the "Green Team"! We would never wear Dress Blues into combat!

 

[Kevin Kenneally]

Soviet Guards were not a separate organisation, just units that had distinguished themselves in combat.
NKVD, workers battalions and Soviet marines were separate organisations.

Sissi were elite commando style units but still regular Finnish army.

Gurkha were regionally/ethnically distinct but still part of the Indian Army. Maybe just, but the same applies to Maori units in the New Zealand army.
Britain had Royal Marine Commandos.

Japan had SNLF (naval infantry) units.

Should German Paratroops, Marine Infantry and Volkssturm have their own colours as they were also separate organisations?

Personally, I rarely use the "Men in Black", only if I wish to piss off someone.

Paul,

Maybe the colors for the Russians, British, Sissi and Japan should remain the same.

As for the Germans, the only really units to have a distinct color should be the SS. The other Germans should be the "Blue/Grey" as the others.
If you do not wish to "keep" the "MiB"; I would gladly find a retirement Planos tray for them. I would ask your permission to "exercise" them once every June in Austin Texas.

 

[Kevin Kenneally]

US Marines are members of the "Green Team"! We would never wear Dress Blues into combat!

Is this because the dirt is hard to get out of the white trim?

Just glad the Marines got rid of them silly red jackets they originally started with.

 

[rglesINDY]

I can't believe some people are saying they don't like distinctive aircraft counters. :nuts: I suspect that many of these same persons would scream bloody murder if you take away their 14th variation of the Sherman tank! And as far as not wanting them to take up room in the Plano...do you allow those sledges, rice paddy banks, and stick-bundle-thingie counters to "waste space" in your precious Plano? :angry:
Let those of us who want airplane variants have our STUFF!!

 

[Morbii]

- I absolutely love the extra SW/etc counters. The only other product I've seen this type of thing from is one of the LFT products and I loved those as well. Beneficially, the BFP ones are more in number. Awesome!

- I like the idea of the DW board as it gives a nice twist to the whole geomorphic thing. The only problem I can think of with it is that the larger you make your boards, the less likely they are going to be replayable (if that makes any sense). The board itself is unique enough, and with only a single side not truly geomorphic it will probably work out just fine.

- As far as the aircraft counters: I don't mind either way, personally, but since it's always nice to have new counters for things you dont' have counters for, hurray!

 

[sswann]

Is this because the dirt is hard to get out of the white trim?

Just glad the Marines got rid of them silly red jackets they originally started with.

Actually they started with "Bottle Green" coats, then switched to Red, and then switched back to the Green.

 

[RobZagnut]

Soviet Guards were not a separate organisation, just units that had distinguished themselves in combat.
NKVD, workers battalions and Soviet marines were separate organisations.

Sissi were elite commando style units but still regular Finnish army.

Gurkha were regionally/ethnically distinct but still part of the Indian Army. Maybe just, but the same applies to Maori units in the New Zealand army.
Britain had Royal Marine Commandos.

Japan had SNLF (naval infantry) units.

Should German Paratroops, Marine Infantry and Volkssturm have their own colours as they were also separate organisations?

Personally, I rarely use the "Men in Black", only if I wish to piss off someone.

What does this have to do with players who actually like to use their black SS counters wanting to push around dark red Guard units?

 

[Geoff White]

Got mine the other day.

Really like the double board concept, would love to see it being devloped more. Such as one board rising up a few levels from ground level and the second board continuing up to higher levels but when used with a regular board forming a plain rising to a plateau.

Aircraft counters? I'm fine with that. They're fun even if I will probably never use tham.

Magazine, I could live without high gloss paper to keep the printing cost down, similar to the Journals.

But I really appreciate the extra information counters. Adv Fire, Op Fire etc.

All told, a very ambitious undertaking. Any chance of something for the desert next?


Geoff

 

[Delirium]

I like the Double width map concept, and will certainly purchase more.

Ground attack aircraft - slightly superfluous, I think.

Terrain counters - I appreciate the additional flexibility they provide, as compared to overlays.

As regards the next themed product, I would be most please by a product which took a look at an under represented region. So, North Africa would be a strong contender.

 

[Gunner Scott]

Hi-

Desert aint bad, but so few play it that making a themed product about it would be a huge money loser for BFP.

 

[Hovned31]

While we are on the topic of counter colors. I think someone should issue a conscript/green/6+1 pack containing mauve and pink counters for these respective units!

 

[Arlecchino]

Hi-

Desert aint bad, but so few play it that making a themed product about it would be a huge money loser for BFP.

It's also because there's not so many module about desert. What would happen if BFP publish a wonderfull HASL module on desert? I think that many more will play DTO! (but MMP had to reprint hollow legion first...)

It's really sadly that there's so few DTO scenarios and module... it's a great theatre to play!

 

[Delirium]

It's also because there's not so many module about desert. What would happen if BFP publish a wonderfull HASL module on desert? I think that many more will play DTO! (but MMP had to reprint hollow legion first...)

Indeed, a BFP 4 product focussed on NA would be likely to stimulate interest in desert games, although the lead-in time for a reprint of Hollow Legions, if extended, could be a difficulty. A work around could be to ensure that the scenarios which come with a desert BFP 4 are generally playable with a bundled set of BFP desert boards.

Doesn't fix the issue of counters, however. Many players will not have the Italian counters until HL is reprinted, therefore a desert product which focussed on engagements which did not involve the Italians is the obvious answer, but this is perhaps too restrictive.

Still, I'm excited about the BFP Huertgen CG chatter.

 

[Chas]

I dont like to let out too much information, but BFP 4 will not be desert. Sorry to possibly disappoint. Unless something drastic happens BFP 4 will be something like BFP 3 but on the Allied Minors. Fewer counters, more boards.

Chas