Jacometti
Elder Member
No more skeptical, then?I also was skeptical about its legality so I sent it to Perry and he provided a quick response, which is posted in the Perry Sez sub-forum. Yes, it is legal.
Thanks for checking.
No more skeptical, then?I also was skeptical about its legality so I sent it to Perry and he provided a quick response, which is posted in the Perry Sez sub-forum. Yes, it is legal.
Agree on the Special Ammo.I think you HAVE TO announce the special ammo and target type whenever announcing a shot. I do not understand how you would roll a To Hit DR otherwise.
I think I would probably just trust the player to note in his mind which Gun is firing, and if it does not have any Special Ammo, note that on his HIP note.This is potentially problematic. What if you have two guns with special ammo? How do you know which Gun was firing without defining it? This could be abused in this case. There should not be a special case when only one Gun is in play. I'd be curious to hear Klas' take on this one.
That sounds to me like an ok way of handling that situation. Easy to do and won't take any time to speak of.I'm not questioning the legality of the tactic. I'm questioning the process. What if a player had a 37L and a 75L ATG; declares an APCR at target X and rolls a 12 - what is to stop him from saying it was the 37L instead of the 75L? This has the potential for abuse. As a TD I would insist that the shot be fully written down before the attempt is made for verification later if there is the potential for more than one firer.
I also think it may apply to only 1 in every 5 scenarios (in terms of OBs with multiples of the same calibre HIP guns on one side) and 1 in every 10 players (who want to use this tip).That sounds to me like an ok way of handling that situation. Easy to do and won't take any time to speak of.
The time continuum ruptures. If you look on the list of items in the box on any AH/MMP module you will see listed a stasis containment field. That is for use if you should have such an event.One short question.. what happens if you fire a special ammo that you don't have yet because of date?
I hope you look at the counter before I turn my tank over dead thinking "Well fuck!" -- jimOne short question.. what happens if you fire a special ammo that you don't have yet because of date?
Hopefully your opponent will catch it and tell you don't have the type....One short question.. what happens if you fire a special ammo that you don't have yet because of date?
Hell, I'll be happy to abuse your units right in front of you any old time.Any hidden unit is possible to abuse.
I'd still think the opponent will figure out if was a 37L or 50L APCR when the Final TK# is announced.I do not see the reason to declare it beforehand that the shot is being taken by "this" 37L ATG and not "that" 50L ATG, even if it does manage the APCR hit at low odds, and is no longer HIP, unless the colored die of the Th DR is 5 or 6, he remains concealed and placed on the board as such. Therefore the enemy still will not know in such cases if it was the 37L or the 50L ATG that just hit and lost HIP. An emplaced Gun only loses concealment if its TH DR colored die is a 5 or a 6.
True there. That said, I know of at least one ASL scenario where the Germans are given by SSR the ability to HIP their only StuG III G as if it were a Gun during setup, and they also have a PaK 40 75 L ATG as well in their OB that sets up HIP if in concealment terrain.I'd still think the opponent will figure out if was a 37L or 50L APCR when the Final TK# is announced.
I would be ok with the owner of the Gun mentally noting down which Gun is shooting and updating his HIP notes accordingly if there was no Special Ammo. But I would also be ok with an opponent who wants me to write down which Gun it is (for later verification).In every case, I would NOT accept there is a requirement without some other rule or Errata or Perry reversing himself, that I would have to pull out the 37L or the 50L in my example above revealed to the enemy, and set it to one side and announce "that" Gun was shooting APCR. Or pull out a StuG or the 75L ATG in this case, revealed.
Agree.It is concealed unless I hit and my TH colored dr is a 5 or a 6 if it is a Gun. It is HIP unless I have APCR ammo if it is the StuG. I'd pull out a 5/8 " counter set off to the side because it set up HIP. It would have a 5/8" "?" to make it concealed and then be stacked off to one side and announce that was the firing unit, it is HIP and trying for APCR. No sense in giving your opponent "free" recon as to what is shooting at him, in either example.
For scenarios with 6 or fewer guns, draw your counters with differing ID's. You can announce "Gun A is firing APCR" and it will be unambiguous.I'm not questioning the legality of the tactic. I'm questioning the process. What if a player had a 37L and a 75L ATG; declares an APCR at target X and rolls a 12 - what is to stop him from saying it was the 37L instead of the 75L? This has the potential for abuse. As a TD I would insist that the shot be fully written down before the attempt is made for verification later if there is the potential for more than one firer.
Steve
That sounds like a winner. Simple and would cover most ASL scenarios.For scenarios with 6 or fewer guns, draw your counters with differing ID's. You can announce "Gun A is firing APCR" and it will be unambiguous.
"6.11 LOS CHECKS: Neither player may make potential LOS checks to determine if a LOS exists for an attack until after that attack has been declared [EXC: Concealment Removal (12.14), Road entry cost (4.132)]. Should the LOS check for an attack reveal a blocked LOS, the units which were to have made the attack are still considered to have fired for all purposes..."Certainly not. You do not have to have LOS to "try" taking a a shot.
You could even announce a shot at a target you can CERTAINLY not see.
Hoping to roll above your Depletion Number. Just to freak out the guy.
If there is no Special Ammo available, no shot occurred and there certainly would be no stringing of LOS."6.11 LOS CHECKS: Neither player may make potential LOS checks to determine if a LOS exists for an attack until after that attack has been declared [EXC: Concealment Removal (12.14), Road entry cost (4.132)]. Should the LOS check for an attack reveal a blocked LOS, the units which were to have made the attack are still considered to have fired for all purposes..."
Looks to me like LOS check occurs between the time the attack is declared and the attack is rolled/made. So yeah, in the case given the opponent can certainly ask for an LOS check and it isn't a "dick" move as, according to A6.11, that is what is suppose to happen.