I count 4...two on left left side of the picture, 1 above the CMG, and 1 below the gun. Is the fifth on the end of the gun barrel itself? It’s notched but that may be by design. Heck of a shot if it is. Almost a hole in one.View attachment 4984
It's just a PzKpfw Mk IV- but you got to admire the crew's pluck - I count at least 5 impacts. and the thing was still in action.
Given the AFV was photographed after capture at El Guettar - I'd hazard a guess you are looking at 37mm AP and 75mm HE direct fire impacts from the prevailing US armor on hand during El Guettar- the largest guns would have been the M10's, but their AP rounds would have done a nice little number to any frontal armor on a Mk IV.I count 4...two on left left side of the picture, 1 above the CMG, and 1 below the gun. Is the fifth on the end of the gun barrel itself? It’s notched but that may be by design. Heck of a shot if it is. Almost a hole in one.
Any guesses to the calibers of hits judging by the impact crater sizes?
Great picture Jon.
It softens the blow.The Matress Armour
The Joad family goes to war?
"Granny's got a GunThe Joad family goes to war?
In your best John Wayne drawl.......
Actually, it was more of a Grapes Of Wrath meme...Well, this here's a story 'bout a man named Jed, Poor mountaineer, barely kept his family fed.
I improved on mine......Actually, it was more of a Grapes Of Wrath meme...
I’ll be all around in the dark – I’ll be everywhere. Wherever you can look – wherever there’s a fight, so hungry people can eat, I’ll be there. Wherever there’s a cop beatin’ up a guy, I’ll be there. I’ll be in the way guys yell when they’re mad. I’ll be in the way kids laugh when they’re hungry and they know supper’s ready, and when the people are eatin’ the stuff they raise and livin’ in the houses they build – I’ll be there, too.
Are those 3 firing ports? Where's the engine?
OK. Not something I noticed.Paul,
The new Centurion Mk 3 that appeared in Forgotten War has a CS7. What would justify a four person crew having such a high CS number? The King Tiger and Pershing had more armor, 5 man crew and they still only rate CS6.
Thanks,
Steve
Not so much that there is fuel (T-34) but a lack thereof. I don't know if the fuel drained from the compartment tanks first, but the fumes, diesel or otherwise, are much more dangerous when hit than a full fuel tank-I know, seen it happen several times- return trips were always much more dangerous when fuel tanks were half full or less. As to the increased survivability of the crew in a Centurion, perhaps by the addition of a rubberized mat that the ready rack ammo was stowed on. Not sure if this existed by the time of the Korean War, but later tanks employed them on the turret floor or ready rack area to minimize an electro-static charge emanating from a penetration or electrical malfunction of the system that could potentially set off rounds stored with metal-on-metal, especially if stored upright in a ready rack configuration (pure speculation on my part at most).OK. Not something I noticed.
The KT had a weakness in that it had ammo in the turret bustle and in the pannier sides immediately below the turret, the latter shared with the Panther and Tiger. Getting through the armour would be one thing but once you did, then "whoosh!". Don't know about the Pershing. One of the proclaimed advantages of the Centurion was it, like most British tanks, had no ammo above the turret ring. On the other hand the T-34/76 didn't have any either (but it did have fuel tanks in the crew area, admittedly diesel, but still ...).
Hatches/crew were similar, as usual the gunner (only) didn't have his own hatch.
The British, one of the first nations to adopt operational research, did extensive studies of causes of tank KOs and what were the reasons for post-KO fires, etc. So I would expect that in a KO situation a British tank would give the best chance of crew survival. Maybe a combination of little things adding up to a big thing? However, now that you pointed it out, it does see a bit odd. I doubt that it will change more than a very, very rare game involving Centurions (a CS DR of 7 allowing a crew to control a building, once every thousand games?). A change of a Gun TK by 1 would have far more effect, so it's not something I am going to loose any sleep over, but still ... odd.
In the end I honestly don't know.
Japanese Type 4 Kha-Tsu