Airpower in ASL

[L'Emperor]

I have an Airpower play aide. I had submitted it to MMP about a year ago and they said they were considering it for a journal. All subsequent enquiries have yeilded no response, so I assume it has been dropped. I want to go over it once more and get it to Mark Pitcavage for Desperation Morale in the next day or two.

 

[Glennbo]

I have an Airpower play aide. I had submitted it to MMP about a year ago and they said they were considering it for a journal. All subsequent enquiries have yeilded no response, so I assume it has been dropped. I want to go over it once more and get it to Mark Pitcavage for Desperation Morale in the next day or two.

This would be a great addition to the hobby. I personally know of several players who couldn't use OBA without the help of the "OBA Flowchart". A similar play aid for Air Support would do wonders to promote it's use by players who otherwise won't touch it. :thumup:

 

[Brian W]

Well not to get too off track, but agree with Portal, Beach is not that bad really. Heavy surf is a little more wrinkly, but even that's not that bad.

The help card/flow chart for both air and beach might really help.

There is an LC flow chart out there, on an old version of VFTT I think.

The problem with beach landings aren't that the rules; the problem is that the scenarios are not very fun, at least for me. There isn't much bang for the buck.

 

[L'Emperor]

I personally know of several players who couldn't use OBA without the help of the "OBA Flowchart".

There are people who can do OBA without the flow chart?!? :shock:

 

[wrongway149]

Hmmm...

We are thinking of putting Shturmovik and JU-87G counters in Slaughter at Ponyri....

Overall, I think the rules are fine for the average scenario-- maybe 'mistaken attack ' should be more common, if anything.

But a HASL with a big map and larger scenarios can and should feature more options.

 

[L'Emperor]

For anyone interested, I posted my air support play aide:

http://forums.gamesquad.com/showthread.php?t=73484

 

[Khill]

Hmmm...

We are thinking of putting Shturmovik and JU-87G counters in Slaughter at Ponyri....

Sweet! It was great to see HOB do a set of Russian FB but I always wished that MMP would do an official set of Russian aircraft.

:yummy:

 

[L'Emperor]

Do them in color!

 

[62nd Army]

Gentlemen

Glenbo summed up my feelings a few posts up stream. (Why so few people play with air support.) I wish air rules had been made more “abstract”. For example, if a side were to receive air support this would entitle him to some many “shots” on whatever firepower column the designer would feel appropriate. This could be used to reflect bombing as well. This of course is VERY simplistic, but it gives you an idea of my train of thought. Focus on the ground fighting, but allow air support to be represented. Just so food for thought.

Regards
Joe

 

[L'Emperor]

From a design standpoint, in certain situations airsupport could be modelled by limiting the initial OOB. An aspect of the effects would be taken care of by that or Joe's suggestion. However, this would not get at all the aspects. In particular, the effects on mobility would not be included and that is a major effect. That needs something other than a quick fix.

 

[62nd Army]

From a design standpoint, in certain situations airsupport could be modelled by limiting the initial OOB. An aspect of the effects would be taken care of by that or Joe's suggestion. However, this would not get at all the aspects. In particular, the effects on mobility would not be included and that is a major effect. That needs something other than a quick fix.

Jim

Good points!!

Joe

 

[trevpr1]

There are people who can do OBA without the flow chart?!? :shock:

Some of us were playing before there were flowcharts. So we were playing it wrong (slightly wrong in my case) but we got by.

 

[Cthulhu]

I updated my pdf (again). This time the TK DRM's are much more in line with the "normal" ones on the generic aircraft counters.

Here's the link: http://www.cavalcadeofwhimsy.com/wargaming/asl/ASL_aircraft3.pdf

I have been making counters and I am about 3/4 of the way through the list so far. Here are new samples!

 

[KhandidGamera]

Cthulu:

What's your mechanism for making the counter images: aircraft image pasted into a ppt slide, numbering by text box, arial font or something different.

How I made my avatar.

Was a bit surprised how easy it was, if a little time consuming.

Probably could make a counter sheet that way pasting images into a word table.

 

[Cthulhu]

Actually I'm building the counters in Photoshop 7.0 (which makes it easy to have the individual counters arranged the exact same way).

And making a counter sheet in Word is exactly what I have in mind!

 

[KhandidGamera]

Ah, the gold standard then.

Mostly from work have found ppt can do a heck of a lot with combined with screen shotting, haven't worked with the father of all photo editting at all.

Usually get my format all set then screen shot, crop and size to suit. Made some avatar labelling that way for my ASL Scenario Logbook.

Again nice work on the airpower counters.

 

[Cthulhu]

Ah, the gold standard then.

Mostly from work have found ppt can do a heck of a lot with combined with screen shotting, haven't worked with the father of all photo editting at all.

I think I use about 10-15% of all the cool bells & whistles that thing has. I feel kind of like a Neanderthal blowing paint over his hand to get the outline when I see what kind of stuff other people can do with PS.

Usually get my format all set then screen shot, crop and size to suit. Made some avatar labelling that way for my ASL Scenario Logbook.

I tried using PowerPoint with some roleplaying stuff a few years ago (character sheets, etc) and found that I could do all the same stuff in Word with a little less hassle.

Again nice work on the airpower counters.

Thank you very much.

I've actually been toying with the idea of selling the "Airpower Pack" when I finish the Aircraft Notes section for all the planes. Three of each aircraft counter and all the aircraft notes as a pdf for maybe three or four bucks. I'm just not sure that ASLers like mounting their own counters very much (or care enough about planes).

 

[Cthulhu]

Usually get my format all set then screen shot, crop and size to suit. Made some avatar labelling that way for my ASL Scenario Logbook.

What is your avatar for anyways? Some giant monster wargame?

 

[KhandidGamera]

Cthulu:

I'd suggest 4 planes each - somehow seems like the outside limit of how many might be in a scenario at one time - nice even number too.

You thinking of doing a paypal/download arrangement?

Wonder if you worked with HOB whether they might partner up to go with a sheet of diecuts - of course lot more cost there. However, a pdf printed out on glossy photo paper, mounted, exacto cutout probably good enough too.

PS - sure I'd love it, been too cheap to purchase. Had a hard time working with ppt also, until got used to using it for specific things.

In some recent work it was mandatory in communicating with "offshore" drafters on how to complete drawings (Even with a picture they can't necessarily find their butt with both hands). Word seemed to make files bigger using pictures, but when you cut and paste-special jpeg pics from a 500K image, cuts file size to roughly a fifth. Significant with email - back and forth.

Your computer self-esteem sounds about like mine - I can make fire, but haven't figured agriculture out yet.

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