PresterJohn
Senior Member
As I said multiple times, it is a fundamental aspect of the war in the east that there are no reliable numbers, just the estimates of those professional historians (yes I know - they're irrelevant!) who have done research in that area. Military casualties on the Russian Front are fairly well understood at the large scale, but civilian casualties are vague, and I don't doubt there can be a lot of uncertainty for some about which side of the line they should be tallied on (left to die by Nazis or Soviets). Some people have written books on how Stalin was a bigger killer of civilians than Hitler (the time in charge being a factor) and I haven't read them (and I'm sure those authors are irrelevant too). That's a slightly different argument to killing your own people though.