Location Control in Manila

[ibncalb]

FAO: Filipino Landlords

Building control and marking of building control is painful, clumsy and difficult in Manila.

Multi level, multi hex buildings which are VC necessary.

As No Quarter is in effect the Japanese must be rousted from each location.

Some buildings are extreme. The hospital has 68 locations, 51 that count for building control.

With opposing units, level and fortified markers, minefields, OBA and ACQ counters stacking is an issue.

I don’t remember this being as much of an issue in previous CG, although there are plenty that I don’t own.

I can live with the stacking, but what’s driving me nuts is marking control. I’ve tried marking, next to the VC building control of each level (i.e I put an American control marker on a cellar counter when all cellar locations are controlled by the Allies) I’ve tried rotating location markers to indicate which levels are controlled in a hex but I’m yet to find a workable solution.

What I think may work is just to make a sketch of the building and to keep this to one side and mark off control on that.

Does anyone else have better ideas?


(crossposted)

 

[Stewart]

SET DEMOLITION CHARGES
It will cause multiple levels of rubble creation when SET. Reducing the number of Locations by a fair amount.

 

[jyoung]

Does anyone else have better ideas?

VASL or cardboard?

 

[ibncalb]

VASL or cardboard?

Cardboard.

 

[MajorDomo]

FAO: Filipino Landlords

Building control and marking of building control is painful, clumsy and difficult in Manila.

Multi level, multi hex buildings which are VC necessary.

As No Quarter is in effect the Japanese must be rousted from each location.

Some buildings are extreme. The hospital has 68 locations, 51 that count for building control.

With opposing units, level and fortified markers, minefields, OBA and ACQ counters stacking is an issue.

I don’t remember this being as much of an issue in previous CG, although there are plenty that I don’t own.

I can live with the stacking, but what’s driving me nuts is marking control. I’ve tried marking, next to the VC building control of each level (i.e I put an American control marker on a cellar counter when all cellar locations are controlled by the Allies) I’ve tried rotating location markers to indicate which levels are controlled in a hex but I’m yet to find a workable solution.

What I think may work is just to make a sketch of the building and to keep this to one side and mark off control on that.

Does anyone else have better ideas?


(crossposted)

Yes!

Searching on the ground floor reveals all above ground contents in a searched hex (12.162 last paragraph). That allows searching Amis to reveal Hipsters on upper levels.

I would rather that all Hipsters were placed on board on turn four or so of a scenario to prevent bug hunts for Hip Jpn halfsquads. But we have what we have.

 

[Honza]

Searching on the ground floor reveals all above ground contents in a searched hex (12.162 last paragraph).

Well remembered.....

 

[Honza]

Well remembered.....

But does there have to be a stairway in the same hex?

 

[klasmalmstrom]

But does there have to be a stairway in the same hex?

No.

"All Searched hexes (including all above-ground Locations in those hexes) automatically reveal their contents, including the presence of minefields (but not their type and strength) and Fortified Buildings."

Q&A
A12.152 Can Searching reveal the contents of
Locations that are not Accessible?
A. Yes, as long as one Location in the hex is
Accessible. [J1]

 

[Honza]

Thankyou Klas.

 

[Craig Benn]

Yes!

Searching on the ground floor reveals all above ground contents in a searched hex (12.162 last paragraph). That allows searching Amis to reveal Hipsters on upper levels.

I would rather that all Hipsters were placed on board on turn four or so of a scenario to prevent bug hunts for Hip Jpn halfsquads. But we have what we have.

Yeah but search casualties. Japanese get a -2 as well. Not something you want to do - better to bump scout.

 

[Honza]

Yeah but search casualties. Japanese get a -2 as well. Not something you want to do - better to bump scout.

Depends how much time you got.

 

[jyoung]

Cardboard.

My suggestions would all revolve around using VASL as an alternative to marking a paper side-map, but that may not be very convenient.

 

[ibncalb]

Thanks for all of the responses, particularly to Klas and Majordomo, I didn't know that a non accessible location could be searched.

Whilst that does cut down on the building clearance time, it doesn't help with the marking of locations.

Maybe @Tuomo knows of some way to produce traces of the larger buildings, available as pdfs, which could be printed and used to mark location. I mean, it's basically his fault we're in this situation anyway.

At least we're not forced to mark shellhole control.

 

[volgaG68]

some way to produce traces of the larger buildings, available as pdfs, which could be printed and used to mark location.

Oddly enough, for their scenario Thrilla In Manila from B&J, BFP has such a downloadable enlargement for such a building. They also have one for the castle that is used in the HG2 scenarios. You can just make a quick copy of a building off of your map, cut it out, and enlarge it, setting it to the side for use with administrative markers. I've done this before. It didn't matter in my case that a semi-crappy copy was made because it was strictly for visualization/administrative purposes, not aesthetic ones. I remember doing it for the key building in a VotG scenario.

 

[von Marwitz]

Thanks for all of the responses, particularly to Klas and Majordomo, I didn't know that a non accessible location could be searched.

This is one instance of the notorious "ASL Physics"...

von Marwitz

 

[volgaG68]

This is one instance of the notorious "ASL Physics"...

von Marwitz

The only thing more notorious are ASL Psychics...

 

[von Marwitz]

The only thing more notorious are ASL Psychics...

What we ASLers are missing, alas, are ASL Psy-Chicks.
If you ask me, I see no reason why we should not be adored by groupies...

von Marwitz

 

[Tuomo]

Maybe @Tuomo knows of some way to produce traces of the larger buildings, available as pdfs, which could be printed and used to mark location. I mean, it's basically his fault we're in this situation anyway.

Yeah, I know, and I'm sorry. Once I found out I was getting paid by the hex, I went a little crazy. The orginal Manila map was just a Fort board, but I just kept on adding.

I'll ask them about putting together a building control player aid pdf.

 

[JimWhite]

I see no reason why we should not be adored by groupies...

You're not?

Sorry to hear that...

 

[von Marwitz]

You're not?

Sorry to hear that...

Maybe this is because I am lacking your long golden locks...

The Oberst has his hair trimmed according to regulation and for sure, his boots outshine yours. The times are truly scandalous if this is not impressive enough.

von Marwitz