MountainMan said:
Like it or not, and most brain-washed Americans clearly don't, Michael Moore made us take a good, long look at ourselves in the mirror.
Except that Michael Moore's mirror is bent, flawed, cracked & broken so that we don't really see ourselves, we see Michael's version...
Most of the anger, hatred and disgust generated by F9/11 is, in reality anger, hatred and disgust at ourselves and what we have become. It's just easier to blame Moore than to point a finger at the true culprits.
Actually my anger, hatred & disgust is #1 for the terrorists & #2 for people who swallow drivel down & don't bother to actually look at facts & think for themselves.
It is a fact that Bush was the man in charge of everything including national security when the greatest breach in national security in the history of America took place, over three thousand Americans killed by 19 guys with box cutters. and it is a fact that the nation most responsible, Saudi Arabia, is a business partner of that same president and has yet to be indicted or punished for its crimes against us...by the same president.
It's also a fact that the ACTUAL American policies that led to 9/11 were carried out by...President Clinton! (President Bush had been 8 months in office; his policies had barely begun.)
It is also a fact that the Iraqi war has nothing at all to do with any of the reasons given for it when it was begun, and that it is now being touted by the same president who failed us as the greatest single reason to re-elect him.
I'm tired of posting "The List" so I won't even bother this time. But for all the 'regulars' out there, you know what "The List" is and who is on it.
It isn't about Michael Moore; it's about us and what we have become.
No, it really is about Michael Moore, and what a disgusting money-grubber perverter of truth he is.
NOTE to Andrey & DJ: Again the accusations that we're all blind fools swallowing whatever the media tells us!!! Well, you're back to your European Debate style, so I'll just throw these few items at you:
--NUMBER OF RUSSIAN GOVERNMENTS OVERTHROWN BY MEDIA: Zero. None, nothing, not one. Russian 'reform' of early '90's was supported by the people; media organizations were occupied by armed forces -- some for the old regime, more for the new.
--NUMBER OF AMERICAN GOVERNMENTS OVERTHROWN BY MEDIA: 1. One. President Nixon of the mid-1970's was forced to resign after the Washington Post & NY Times exposed a scandal called 'Watergate.'
--NUMBER OF MEDIA CONTROLLED BY AMERICAN GOVERNMENT: 1. It's called "Voice of America" and is controlled by the government.
--NUMBER OF MEDIA NOT CONTROLLED BY AMERICAN GOVERNMENT: Over 10,000 news organizations including news papers, radio & TV.
One final point: don't think that just because that most of us don't prefer a European debate, we wouldn't win it!
And about Michael Moore: As just one example of what he does, he claims that special privileges were given after 9/11 to the Bin Laden family. What actually happened is that:
(1) The Bin Laden family traveled only AFTER the federal authorities allowed ALL commercial air flights to resume.
(2) The Bin Laden family was checked to see if they included any terrorists.
This goes to the heart of Michael Moore. In his film, he asks "Why did the bin Ladens receive such high government scrutiny?"
And if they hadn't received that attention, Moore would have asked "Why didn't the bin Ladens receive high government scrutiny?"
Moore doesn't ask real questions or present truth; he takes the truth, twists it, then asks perverted questions. Moore's films attack character without adding anything of value. Moore's arguments are like asking, "So when did you stop beating your wife?"
If you want to drink down his American propoganda, you go right ahead. The rest of us will continue to look a wide range of news sources, then use our judgement to make our decisions.