Comments about a book for ASL

['Ol Fezziwig]

I would, but I may have to decline. I will opt instead for your never-ending adulation of my unadulterated cleverness and rapier-sharp wit as I cruise in solitary magnificence ever-watchful of abuses and trangressions, on this forum, my sole reason for existence, smiting those whom the indolent moderators, in contravention of all laws of science and nature, allow to run unfestered as boils on the arse of this forum.

Despite what Edna says, I shall unfurl my cape against the winds of injustice and the beat back the storms wherever they try to form!!

You are truly my hero! (I think I wet myself...:crosseye

 

[AZslim]

I'd rep ya if I could.

 

[Michael Dorosh]

Mr Drake,

Are you "sure" your SPR scenario was not "copied" into this book? I think there are too MANY SPR scenarios in THIS book.

Also, this book mentions the German Panzer Division "Tatra"; has anyone ANY info on this unit?

What kind of information are you looking for? Now that my library is coming out of storage, I may be able to piece something together, but they are suitable exotic enough that it may amount to nothing...

 

[Kevin Kenneally]

What kind of information are you looking for? Now that my library is coming out of storage, I may be able to piece something together, but they are suitable exotic enough that it may amount to nothing...

I thought the term "Tatra" was in reference to a Hungarian AFV.

But any info about this Panzer Division would be nice.

 

[Michael Dorosh]

I thought the term "Tatra" was in reference to a Hungarian AFV.

But any info about this Panzer Division would be nice.

From Bender's book "Uniforms, Organization and History of the Panzertruppe", I get that the division was formed as Panzerfeldausbildungsdivision "Tatra" (Panzer Field Training Division "Tatra") in December 1944. It was a field training unit under OKH. It was designed to serve in the area of Tyman and engaged only as local security, under operational control of Army Group South.

On 21 February 1945 the division was renamed to become 232 Panzer Division. It went into the front line in March 1945 and destroyed in the Raab bridgehead.

Components included Panzergrenadier Regiment 101 and Panzergrenadier Regiment 102 (formed from Panzergrenadier Ersatz u. Ausbildungs Regiments 82 and 85 respectively (PzGren Training and Replacement Regiments)).

Commanders were

• Generalleutnant Friedrich-Wilhelm von Loeper until 31 Dec 1944
• Generalmajor Hans-Ulrich Back 1 Jan 1945 - late March 1945

The Armchair General forum had some more info but I can't verify it's accuracy:

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1266600

 

[Kevin Kenneally]

From Bender's book "Uniforms, Organization and History of the Panzertruppe", I get that the division was formed as Panzerfeldausbildungsdivision "Tatra" (Panzer Field Training Division "Tatra") in December 1944. It was a field training unit under OKH. It was designed to serve in the area of Tyman and engaged only as local security, under operational control of Army Group South.

On 21 February 1945 the division was renamed to become 232 Panzer Division. It went into the front line in March 1945 and destroyed in the Raab bridgehead.

Components included Panzergrenadier Regiment 101 and Panzergrenadier Regiment 102 (formed from Panzergrenadier Ersatz u. Ausbildungs Regiments 82 and 85 respectively (PzGren Training and Replacement Regiments)).

Commanders were

• Generalleutnant Friedrich-Wilhelm von Loeper until 31 Dec 1944
• Generalmajor Hans-Ulrich Back 1 Jan 1945 - late March 1945

The Armchair General forum had some more info but I can't verify it's accuracy:

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1266600

Mike,

Thanks for the info. The book I have about the German Panzer Divisions does not mention anything about this unit at all. But has some very detailed info about all the other Divisions in your book; too include the two felderhalle Panzer Divisions.

 

[Michael Dorosh]

Mike,

Thanks for the info. The book I have about the German Panzer Divisions does not mention anything about this unit at all. But has some very detailed info about all the other Divisions in your book; too include the two felderhalle Panzer Divisions.

Which book is it?

Surprising - my copy of Bender is from 1980 so its definitely not anything new. There are so many references out there now its hard to tell which ones are good and which are bad; German armour is an especially popular topic - and all the titles are starting to sound the same.

 

[Kevin Kenneally]

Which book is it?

Surprising - my copy of Bender is from 1980 so its definitely not anything new. There are so many references out there now its hard to tell which ones are good and which are bad; German armour is an especially popular topic - and all the titles are starting to sound the same.

I've always liked the Chambelain & Ellis books on German, American and British armour. But some feel these are NOT technical enough. I'll look at the name and give you a buzz at your email address later.