Advance and CC counter

[GVL]

When a Unit advances in a Location where an Enemy Unit is, we usually put a CC counter on this Location as a reminder there could be a CC there in the CC Phase. Now, I see there is no Rule to do this. The CC Counter is only placed in special cases when a Unit enters the Location of an Enemy Unit during Movement Phase. What do other Players do?

 

[clubby]

I thought that was the only real use for a CC counter? What else would you use it for?

 

[zgrose]

"The CC Counter is only also placed in special cases ..."
Almost everyone does that, too.

 

[clubby]

I think the marker is simply a memory aid. It's placed in movement with berserk and human wave again simply as a memory aid.

 

[zgrose]

When you get a CC counter before the APh, it also prevents that unit from Advancing. Which elevates it to slightly higher than a memory aid.

 

[Stewart]

MMP didn't send Pennies to remind us...so they made CC markers...
They really only serve a game function
OUTSIDE the Adv Ph.
But players use them so they dont forget.

 

[Vinnie]

This is a particular bugbear of mine. CC counters placed willy-nilly. No need to place them at the start of the CCPh. I sort of understand why people do but surely you can recall that there will be CC there?
It's a bit like gold instantly placing an HIP unit during the ADV pH. They come on in he CCPh. To place them before that can influence how your opponent advances.

 

[Robin Reeve]

...but surely you can recall that there will be CC there?

Not me.
I miss too many things when I play.

 

[Jazz]

I've never used them....seemed useless counter clutter. IIRC they only get placed for those rare occasions when someone moves into a location with an opposing unit?

I never go into CC lightly so I feel no need for the reminder.

 

[Sparafucil3]

A CC counter serves two purposes:

• Units marked with CC cannot Advance in the APh. This is important with Banzai/Human Wave units which can enter your Location during their MPh and potentially still Advance. The CC marker is removed with there are no enemy units in the same Location so if the enemy Voluntarily Breaks and Routs, you can still potentially Advance.
  • It is less important with a Berserk unit since on Good Order units can Advance.
• To marks units which fail in a CC Reaction Attack to remind the players they are no longer eligible to conduct further Non-CC Reaction Attacks (D7.21).

As far as I can tell, there really isn't any other reason to place a CC counter. I could be missing a case somewhere. I did write an article on the Misunderstood CC Counter. It is relatively short. -- jim

 

[zgrose]

Serves three purposes… add To remind you where the CCs are going to be.
The others just happen to be the ones that appear in the rule book.

 

[DVexile]

Worth noting that ASLSK1 includes no conditions in which a CC marker must be placed, but includes CC counters anyway.

 

[bendizoid]

If you wanna place ‘em and pick them up, no problem. I can’t remember ever placing one, it obscures vision of the board and takes up time. Maybe in a large campaign game with lots of stuff going on but probably not in a regular scenario.

 

[zgrose]

If you wanna place ‘em and pick them up, no problem. I can’t remember ever placing one, it obscures vision of the board and takes up time. Maybe in a large campaign game with lots of stuff going on but probably not in a regular scenario.

Obscures what? Makes no sense. They stay on the board for like 2 minutes (or less) and don't block anything of any value.

 

[bendizoid]

Obscures what? Makes no sense. They stay on the board for like 2 minutes (or less) and don't block anything of any value.

Obscures the unit it is placed on, more clutter, another chance to knock over a stack. I’m not into it, go ahead and place all CC markers you want.

 

[Stewart]

Worth noting that ASLSK1 includes no conditions in which a CC marker must be placed, but includes CC counters anyway.

Shhhhhh you might be construed as to being critical of SK....and be frowned upon.....

 

[klasmalmstrom]

Worth noting that ASLSK1 includes no conditions in which a CC marker must be placed, but includes CC counters anyway.

It used to...

 

[Robin Reeve]

What if I use a white plastic "X" marker to remember where a possible CC could occur in the upcoming CCPh?
I mean, the placing of a CC marker in the same way is not a very important issue.
It is easier than side recording the hexes.
Now, if my opponent would oppose that misuse of a CC marker, I hope he would allow that I placed a blank counter or other device, to help me not forget things...

 

[bendizoid]

What if I use a white plastic "X" marker to remember where a possible CC could occur in the upcoming CCPh?
I mean, the placing of a CC marker in the same way is not a very important issue.
It is easier than side recording the hexes.
Now, if my opponent would oppose that misuse of a CC marker, I hope he would allow that I placed a blank counter or other device, to help me not forget things...

Nope, sorry Robin, certainly an ‘X’ is not a ‘CC’. The rules clearly state a ‘CC’ marker. I rest my case. Lol


Unless perhaps a tiny pen could write ‘CC’ somewhere on the X tile spacer.

 

[DVexile]

It used to...

Really? In development or something? I can't think of ASLSK1 like situations that would require a CC counter (ASLSK3 and 4 I can).