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Suicide Creek question
As the rules allow for each retained hero (4.7112) to battle harden an MMC what do the Japanese Tank Hunter Hero's do?
Technically the THH is a sub-set of the regular hero rules and if set up on board (HIP allowed in 1944) can they be used battle harden Japanese troops at scenario end?
Personally I would think not, but there is no exception in the wording limiting the use of THH for this admitedly sleazy purpose.
On a separate clarification note, are reduced Japanese squads are still retained in that state for the next scenario?
As the rules allow for each retained hero (4.7112) to battle harden an MMC what do the Japanese Tank Hunter Hero's do?
Technically the THH is a sub-set of the regular hero rules and if set up on board (HIP allowed in 1944) can they be used battle harden Japanese troops at scenario end?
Personally I would think not, but there is no exception in the wording limiting the use of THH for this admitedly sleazy purpose.
On a separate clarification note, are reduced Japanese squads are still retained in that state for the next scenario?
Re: Suicide Creek question
I would disagree that a T-H Hero has anything to do with a "regular" A15.2 hero. G1.42 does not draw a connection between the two, and G1.423 clearly distinguishes that a T-H Hero does not have "normal" heroic traits. Therefore I don't believe that a T-H Hero has anything to do with Refit Phase step 4.7112.
I agree with Darrell that striped Japanese MMC should remain that way. There is no mechanism in the RePh to "un-stripe" them.
I would disagree that a T-H Hero has anything to do with a "regular" A15.2 hero. G1.42 does not draw a connection between the two, and G1.423 clearly distinguishes that a T-H Hero does not have "normal" heroic traits. Therefore I don't believe that a T-H Hero has anything to do with Refit Phase step 4.7112.
I agree with Darrell that striped Japanese MMC should remain that way. There is no mechanism in the RePh to "un-stripe" them.
Re: Suicide Creek question
The text of 1.42 is HEROES : Japanese Heroes can be created via Heat of Battle(A15.1) In addition, Japanese squads and HS may create "Suicide" heroes.
1.421 then goes on to descride the "suicude" hero rules - 1.421 TANK-HUNTER (T-H) HEROES.
I notice 1.421 is a sub-rule of 1.42 so I take this as T-H Heroes are Heroes althoug heroes with specific rules for them and in the refit phase 4.7112 it just mention heroes and does not spricifically exclude t-h heroes.
Tarawa and Edson's ridge have the same wording for that part of the refit page.
Speaking of TH heroes in the Campaigns, If they are not removed to battle harden a MMC then are they must be able to be retained cause i dont believe there is anywhere it says that they are removed in any of the refit phase steps.
The text of 1.42 is HEROES : Japanese Heroes can be created via Heat of Battle(A15.1) In addition, Japanese squads and HS may create "Suicide" heroes.
1.421 then goes on to descride the "suicude" hero rules - 1.421 TANK-HUNTER (T-H) HEROES.
I notice 1.421 is a sub-rule of 1.42 so I take this as T-H Heroes are Heroes althoug heroes with specific rules for them and in the refit phase 4.7112 it just mention heroes and does not spricifically exclude t-h heroes.
Tarawa and Edson's ridge have the same wording for that part of the refit page.
Speaking of TH heroes in the Campaigns, If they are not removed to battle harden a MMC then are they must be able to be retained cause i dont believe there is anywhere it says that they are removed in any of the refit phase steps.
Suicide Creek Scenarios and Pillboxes
Me and my buddy are going to start playing J136, Muddy Mayhem, tomorrow night, and I have a question about the pillboxes.
Do they setup HIP? According to the rules they do, and though the SC SSR states that once revealed, PB stay revealed, it doesn't say anything about starting in sight for some scenarios. Yet the historical background certainly implies that the Marines know where they are, as they have been fighting over the creek for a couple of days.
So, should they start HIP or not? I'm excited to start this scenario - it looks like a brutal struggle for both sides, and I don't want to give one side an unintended advantage.
Thanks
Ed
Me and my buddy are going to start playing J136, Muddy Mayhem, tomorrow night, and I have a question about the pillboxes.
Do they setup HIP? According to the rules they do, and though the SC SSR states that once revealed, PB stay revealed, it doesn't say anything about starting in sight for some scenarios. Yet the historical background certainly implies that the Marines know where they are, as they have been fighting over the creek for a couple of days.
So, should they start HIP or not? I'm excited to start this scenario - it looks like a brutal struggle for both sides, and I don't want to give one side an unintended advantage.
Thanks
Ed
Re: Suicide Creek Scenarios and Pillboxes
I think they are also not revealed until someone searches or stumbles on to them as its PTO and Japanese Pillboxes...... check the chapter G rules, but, just because someone has LOS to them, might not necessarily mean they are revealed....
then again, I may have it ass backwards
Peace
Roger
I think they are also not revealed until someone searches or stumbles on to them as its PTO and Japanese Pillboxes...... check the chapter G rules, but, just because someone has LOS to them, might not necessarily mean they are revealed....
then again, I may have it ass backwards
Peace
Roger
Re: Suicide Creek Scenarios and Pillboxes
The CG does, but we are playing one of the six scenarios, which simulates the end of the battle, with the Marines having already built corduroy roads and created two fords across the creek, and make their final attempt to get across in the face of Japanese resistance. Since this particular scenario covers the end of the battle, by when I'd think the Marines would know where the pillboxes are, I thought maybe they were supposed to set up revealed (but their contents would still be HIP).
The CG does, but we are playing one of the six scenarios, which simulates the end of the battle, with the Marines having already built corduroy roads and created two fords across the creek, and make their final attempt to get across in the face of Japanese resistance. Since this particular scenario covers the end of the battle, by when I'd think the Marines would know where the pillboxes are, I thought maybe they were supposed to set up revealed (but their contents would still be HIP).