Darrell Andersen
Senior Member
"Griffey Jr. to White Sox?"
Great trade for the Sox if we were writing this in 1998. What did they give up?
Great trade for the Sox if we were writing this in 1998. What did they give up?
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- Thread starter BruceC
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I thought Swisher had some speed but they said he doesn't get to many balls.
Pitcher Nick Masset and IF Danny Richar
Bret Hildebran
Elder Member
Essentially nothing except $. Nick Massett (4.63 ERA in 32 relief appearances) & Danny Richar (25 year old 2b hitting .262 in AAA & far worse in the bigs) were the players. The Sox are on the hook for half of Jr.'s contract allegedly which includes a $4M buyout of his $16.5M option year - I think he's making in the range of $8-10M this year so call it about $4M for August/September plus the buyout of the option.
Frankly $4M is a lot considering what he's bringing to the table beyond his name IMO. And I'd presume the Sox won't sell a lot of extra tix due to his name given it's a division leading team already, but maybe I'm underestimating things as he's a guy I'd still pay to go see...
Bret Hildebran
Elder Member
Wait until they see Jr.! Frankly Griffey was a little shakey in right in the 2 games I saw him play in Cleveland. He didn't make any glaring mistakes (unlike say Johny Gomes), but he just didn't have that feeling of confidence you used to get watching him play the OF. He was constantly adjusting until the last second and wasn't judging balls quickly off the bat. If they're really going to play him in center, it could end badly IMO.
Bret Hildebran
Elder Member
BP is reporting:
Manny Ramirez + $7 mil to LA
Jason Bay to Boston
Andy LaRoche, Bryan Morris (LA #1 in '06, i think), Craig Hansen and Damien Moss (both BOS) to PIT
Manny Ramirez + $7 mil to LA
Jason Bay to Boston
Andy LaRoche, Bryan Morris (LA #1 in '06, i think), Craig Hansen and Damien Moss (both BOS) to PIT
Ok here it is:
Red Sox get Jason Bay LF
Dodgers get Manny Ramirez LF
Pirates get Brandon Moss RF, Craig Hansen P, Andy LaRoche 3B, & Bryan Morris P
Red Sox really wanted to move him. Threw in two players and agreed to pay his salary.
Red Sox get Jason Bay LF
Dodgers get Manny Ramirez LF
Pirates get Brandon Moss RF, Craig Hansen P, Andy LaRoche 3B, & Bryan Morris P
Red Sox really wanted to move him. Threw in two players and agreed to pay his salary.
Bret Hildebran
Elder Member
Guess Boston was finally actually tired of the Manny saga.
Presuming you believe Bay's '07 was a total fluke, he's a decent replacement for Manny, a lot cheaper and signed thru '09. Plus Bay has to play better D than Manny.
LaRoche is a nice pickup for Pittsburgh if they felt they had to move Bay. He could grow into a real player. If the Dodgers don't make the playoffs, they could really regret making the deal unless they feel picking up Manny's option at $20M per is a wise move. Not to mention they are overcrowded in the OF already. Unless they plan to Manny at short, I don't really get this deal from their POV. Just another excuse to not play the kids in the OF like Kemp & Ethier? Brilliant. 'Course given I despise the Dodgers, it's win-win from my perspective
Presuming you believe Bay's '07 was a total fluke, he's a decent replacement for Manny, a lot cheaper and signed thru '09. Plus Bay has to play better D than Manny.
LaRoche is a nice pickup for Pittsburgh if they felt they had to move Bay. He could grow into a real player. If the Dodgers don't make the playoffs, they could really regret making the deal unless they feel picking up Manny's option at $20M per is a wise move. Not to mention they are overcrowded in the OF already. Unless they plan to Manny at short, I don't really get this deal from their POV. Just another excuse to not play the kids in the OF like Kemp & Ethier? Brilliant. 'Course given I despise the Dodgers, it's win-win from my perspective
Bay is hitting .282 with 22 HR and 64 RBIs (.519 SLG & .894 OPS). That is in the pitiful Pirates line up. He should get more protection in the Red Sox line up. Manny hits for a higher avg and slightly better OPS. Bay is younger, better defensively, and much cheaper. :thumup:Guess Boston was finally actually tired of the Manny saga.
Presuming you believe Bay's '07 was a total fluke, he's a decent replacement for Manny, a lot cheaper and signed thru '09. Plus Bay has to play better D than Manny.
LaRoche is a nice pickup for Pittsburgh if they felt they had to move Bay. He could grow into a real player. If the Dodgers don't make the playoffs, they could really regret making the deal unless they feel picking up Manny's option at $20M per is a wise move. Not to mention they are overcrowded in the OF already. Unless they plan to Manny at short, I don't really get this deal from their POV. Just another excuse to not play the kids in the OF like Kemp & Ethier? Brilliant. 'Course given I despise the Dodgers, it's win-win from my perspective
'Ol Fezziwig
Repressed Dissident
Could be a win-win: Manny gets a change of scenery and a chance at free agency and the Sox excise a cancer.
The Sox may have paid too dearly, to just make the problem disappear; this smacks of the sort of deal prior Sox regimes would have made...only time will tell...early returns are relief in BoTown-and that's from his former teammates...
The Sox may have paid too dearly, to just make the problem disappear; this smacks of the sort of deal prior Sox regimes would have made...only time will tell...early returns are relief in BoTown-and that's from his former teammates...
'Ol Fezziwig
Repressed Dissident
That's true enough, but I wonder if it was worth losing both Moss and Hansen? If the roster space now open is suitably filled-and Theo has shown in the past a keen eye-then the initial panning of the move may soften a bit.
Shows how big a tool he is that they had to give up so much to unload him.
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wrongway149
Forum Guru
Hey he's got Casey Blake protecting him now! :laugh:
(.412 avg since being traded from Indians to Dodgers)
Let's turn it around.
Let's see how Ortiz does without Manny's protection.
Manny must have REALLY been a tool for the Sox to trade him. He's the best and most feared right handed hitter in baseball. The Sox will not be the same without him. Yankee fans have got to be celebrating.
Agreed.
Correction: he used to be. He has dropped off the past couple of years. Not even close when he tanks it like he has the past couple of weeks.