CC/Melee Black numbers red numbers

[VonHutier]

Having just finished a scenario against my regular oppo, this problem surfaced ; we have both always played CC = black numbers, Melee = red numbers...having been to Bounding fire he said that this is not the case, black numbers should always be used except with Japanese and Red Barricades - I had heard that also on an ASL YouTube channel recently.
Have we been playing it wrong all these years ?

TIA

 

[sdennis]

Yep

 

[hongkongwargamer]

Hate to break it to you

 

[VonHutier]

Right , sooo....what, it's just Japanese and Red Barricades ? If so, do both sides use the Red numbers ?

 

[hongkongwargamer]

Right , sooo....what, it's just Japanese and Red Barricades ? If so, do both sides use the Red numbers ?

It’s for Hand to Hand, see J2.31

 

[sdennis]

Hand to Hand Melee is red numbers and they are used even on the first CC before the Melee counter is placed.
There are a bunch of ways to get HtH to be allowed, SSR, Japanese, DASL...

 

[VonHutier]

Ok, thank you guys, the fast response is much appreciated...

 

[aloha_brian]

This is a great example why it's worth it for all ASLer's to go to at least one tournament a year. You'll rapidly get major misconceptions fixed. Plus you'll get to meet other ASLer's.

Brian

 

[VonHutier]

This is a great example why it's worth it for all ASLer's to go to at least one tournament a year. You'll rapidly get major misconceptions fixed. Plus you'll get to meet other ASLer's.

Brian

Agreed ...couldn't go this year, will be next year..

 

[Michael R]

Right , sooo....what, it's just Japanese and Red Barricades ? If so, do both sides use the Red numbers ?

Not really for them; just can happen with them. Americans attacking Japanese is usually not HtH. Japanese attacking Americans is usually HtH.

In Red Barricades, either side can optionally declare a CC to be HtH when they are the attacker or they ambush the other side.

 

[Doug Leslie]

In Deluxe ASL, berserk units have to declare hand to hand combat. Historically there were no hand to hand counters, so units using H to H were denoted by stacking them on top of each other while normal close combatants simply shared the same hex. Now that we have hand to hand melee counters, there doesn't seem to be any good reason not to use the same rule on regular boards. .

 

[Actionjick]

This is a great example why it's worth it for all ASLer's to go to at least one tournament a year. You'll rapidly get major misconceptions fixed. Plus you'll get to meet other ASLer's.

Brian

Excellent!! Well said Sir!

 

[Stewart]

This is a great example why it's worth it for all ASLer's to go to at least one tournament a year. You'll rapidly get major misconceptions fixed. Plus you'll get to meet other ASLer's.

Brian

Reading the RB is a cheaper way to find out this information.

 

[VonHutier]

Reading the RB is a cheaper way to find out this information.

Yeah, I've read the rules many a time and they don't get any clearer....not the best put together set of rules in my opinion, but certainly the most complex...

 

[Doug Leslie]

Reading the RB is a cheaper way to find out this information.

If it were that simple, this forum wouldn't exist!

 

[Actionjick]

Yeah, I've read the rules many a time and they don't get any clearer....not the best put together set of rules in my opinion, but certainly the most complex...

I took the ASLRB to work to show my young coworker, he's about twenty three. The expression on his face was priceless. Amazement mixed with incredulity is the best way to describe it.

 

[Actionjick]

Reading the RB is a cheaper way to find out this information.

But Stewart if you attend events you might uncover more ways that your opponents are trying to cheat you.

 

[bendizoid]

Reading the RB is a cheaper way to find out this information.

That’s not the objective, the idea is to have fun, make friends and face new challenges. The fact new rules will be learned is a side benefit, free.

 

[Old Noob]

"It's what you learn, after you know it all that counts." - John Wooden

 

[Vinnie]

Just playing outside your group helps. When I started playing VASL I discovered at least 5 basic things we'd been playing wrongly. Since we were consistent within our group they didn't really matter, just unbalanced scenarios a bit.