Beevor on war movies

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Sort of part and parcel with the state of Hollywood in general. In general 99% of todays movies? They suck. The Stalingrad story he related is a perfect example. The last I saw was Dunkirk, and about half way through the movie, about half way over the Atlantic I decided that listening to the baby screaming and its hotter than hell mother struggling to calm it was more entertaining than watching that piece of shit movie.

Best war movie ever? Now that is tough question. Hard to vote against Das Boot.
 

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Science fiction and fantasy films have always said more about he state of things than historical dramas.
Films ate made to make money.
 
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Sort of part and parcel with the state of Hollywood in general. In general 99% of todays movies? They suck. The Stalingrad story he related is a perfect example. The last I saw was Dunkirk, and about half way through the movie, about half way over the Atlantic I decided that listening to the baby screaming and its hotter than hell mother struggling to calm it was more entertaining than watching that piece of shit movie.

Best war movie ever? Now that is tough question. Hard to vote against Das Boot.
All movies follow this formula. http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/...snyder_s_screenwriting_book_save_the_cat.html
 
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Best or ones that we like?
best ones. Ones we like often don't mean best. I mean seriously, a perfect example, who doesn't absolutely love Cross of Iron, however who in their right mind might consider it best. I am a huge Peckinpah fan but jesus christ he must have been hitting the booze, blow and broads Sparky style by the end of that movie. Urggg.

None... zero patch on the book it was based upon. Which I would rate as as one of the best ww2 BOOKS of alltime.
 

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I don't think I've 3vrr watched Cross of Iron.
The book is better, but the movie isn't bad mostly because while it does have some set piece battle scenes (by Sam freaking Peckinpah), the story focuses on the characters (some of whom were based loosely on real life soldiers the author of the book had served with).
 

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I did not know that there was a Cross Of Iron Book. Gonna pick that up.
definitely do get a copy, you can find them easily in most any used book store. Heinrich was an officer in the 101st Jäger and a 41-45 survivor of the Russian Front. So while the book is fiction, though supposedly characters were based on real life members of the unit, it is still pretty much non-fiction in its exploration of the men who fought on the Eastern Front. The movie was obviously based upon the book and even the God of cinema that was Peckinpah couldn't do justice to the characters that Heinrich introduced in the book. They really had much more depth in the book than the movie Stransky was even more a twat and his motivations for hating Steiner made more clear, Steiner more enigmatic and interesting, and my favorite part of the book. The philosophical interplay between Col. Brandt and Cpt. Kiesel
 
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best ones. Ones we like often don't mean best. .
Exactly. Love Kelly's Hero's but is it a Best? Love Mr. Roberts, but is it a war movie?

Favs:
12 o'clock High
Stalag 17
The Longest Day
Horse Soldiers
Kelly's Heros
Run Silent, Run Deep.
Battleground.
Letters from Iwo Jima

Never seen Cross of Iron