AP19, Scenario AP212 - Independence Delayed guestions

MajorDomo

DM? Chuck H2O in his face
Joined
Sep 1, 2003
Messages
3,248
Reaction score
1,138
Location
Fluid
Country
llUnited States
A. There are two Jpn leaders in the partisan OB. If they are involved in CC, does it become HTH?

B. Is the Commonwealth Frontier Force composed of British infantry or is it an Anzac force (hence stealthy)?

C. The two Marm-Herr armored cars are shown as III MFF, but the depiction is for the Marm-Herr IIFF.

Cheers,
Rich
 
Last edited:

klasmalmstrom

Forum Guru
Joined
Feb 26, 2003
Messages
20,441
Reaction score
8,280
Location
Sweden
Country
llSweden
A. There are two Jpn leaders in the partisan OB. If they are involved in CC, does it become HTH?
Yes...G1.64 applies normally.


B. Is the Commonwealth Frontier Force composed of British infantry or is it an Anzac force (hence stealthy)?
It does not say ANZAC nor does the name imply it either, so I would assume not.


C. The two Marm-Herr armored cars are shown as III MFF, but the depiction is for the Marm-Herr IIFF.
I see no Marm-Herr IIFF in the counter mix?
 

Doug Leslie

Forum Guru
Joined
Dec 6, 2017
Messages
1,992
Reaction score
2,135
Location
Scotland
Country
llUnited Kingdom
Yes, they are not Japanese.
That's what I would have assumed but the wording of SSR2 is a little confusing. It specifically states that the ATR can be used without penalty due to lack of a crew but is silent with regard to the MMGs. It might have been better to say nothing, in which case the lack of penalty would be the default position, or include the MMGs for the sake of clarity.
 

klasmalmstrom

Forum Guru
Joined
Feb 26, 2003
Messages
20,441
Reaction score
8,280
Location
Sweden
Country
llSweden
I think mention of the ATR was needed as that's crew-served weapon - not just if manned by a Japanese unit, IIRC.
 
Last edited:

Robin Reeve

The Swiss Moron
Staff member
Moderator
Joined
Jul 26, 2003
Messages
20,506
Reaction score
6,756
Location
St-Légier
First name
Robin
Country
llSwitzerland
B. Is the Commonwealth Frontier Force composed of British infantry or is it an Anzac force (hence stealthy)?
I don't think that there ever were any ANZAC in Burma.
Frontier Forces were a British unit – my grandfather, Montagu Banks Pearman Reeve, was part of a Frontier Forces in the N-W of India (protecting the border against Afghan incursions), before he was called to the region of Imphal in late 1942 (he was quartermaster and, afterwards, brigadier general).
 

Doug Leslie

Forum Guru
Joined
Dec 6, 2017
Messages
1,992
Reaction score
2,135
Location
Scotland
Country
llUnited Kingdom
I think mention of the ATR was needed as that's crew-served weapon - not just if manned by a Japanese unit, IIRC.
This is the relevant rule

1.611 MMG/HMG/ATR: A Japanese ATR/MMG/HMG (including .50-cal) SW being fired by a Japanese squad/HS has its B# and Multiple ROF lowered by one (A.11 applies). However, these SW are not considered crewed weapons for Captured-use purposes (A21.13).
EX: A Japanese ATR being fired by a U.S. HS is subject to normal—not doubled—Captured-use penalties.


So it is only a crew-served weapon if used by the Japanese. Hence my query!
 

klasmalmstrom

Forum Guru
Joined
Feb 26, 2003
Messages
20,441
Reaction score
8,280
Location
Sweden
Country
llSweden
Perhaps the SSR mentions it because the Ordnance Note says "friendly" and not "Japanese" ?
"† This ATR requires a friendly crew in order to be fired with no B#/ROF penalty; G1.611."

You could drop MMP a Q&A for clarification, if needed....
 

BattleSchool

Forum Guru
Joined
Jan 9, 2010
Messages
5,278
Reaction score
2,181
Location
Ottawa GMT -5/-4
Country
llCanada
If I'm not mistaken, the 4th Bn, 12th Frontier Regiment was a Sikh unit with the British Indian Army.

As per A25.4: "Colonial troops such as the King's African Rifles and pre-44 Indian troops in India and Burma should be considered 2nd Line troops represented by 4‑4‑7 squads."

Not Stealthy, as neither ANZAC (nor Gurkha), and subject to Cowering (unless they Battle Harden to First Line).
 
Top