The Final Two Arab – Israeli War Packs – Lebanon 82 and Fort Lahtzanit

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There has been a bit of interest in Arab Israeli stuff so I thought I would complete my detailed RVS of this area to help those who need to know – please if you wish to bag CH – get your own thread

Lebanon 82

Consists of 10 pages of Historical blurb and detailed run thru combatants, vehicle and aircraft notes and some terrain and fortifications

One counter sheet with the all important new tanks of that time – For Arabs - 14 of T55A’s, T62s (Frontal armour 18 with square – 115L gun (TK AP 21, APFDS 44), T72’s (Frontal armour of 34- 125LL gun (TK AP 32, APFSDS 46))- BTR APCs, AML-90 light armoured Vehicle (90L gun) and Israeli of Magach 6 (Frontal armour 26 with 105LL gun– TK AP 27 and APDS 44 and Merkava I (Frontal Armour 28 with square =30 and 105LL gun), Some Centurions (105L) as well as M113 APCs and other counters for helicopter etc etc

QRDC (not in picture attached)

Bds G26-29

G26 – Large Town of 50-60 single hex buildings mainly stone in desert terrain

G27 – Small town of a dozen single hex stone buildings in a depression and in desert terrain

G28 – Desert Board – not much

G29 – Desert board with unique hills and lots of desert terrain

8 Scenarios

Leb82 #1 – Lebanon 6 June 1982 – Over 8.5 Turns on Bd G27 and G26 – PLO 19 squds with sws (6x RPG-7s) in bunkers defend the town and stop the exit of Israeli 14 sqds with sws ( 3 x M72), 4 x M113A3 APCs and 3 x Magach 3.

Leb82 #2 – Lebanon 6 June 1982 – Over 8.5 Turns on Bd G8, G29, G14 – PLO 19.5 Sqds, 4 crews with SWs including 6 x RPG-7s, 2 x Baz 67, 5 x ATGMs in bunkers with 1 x 100L ATG, 2 x 107 RCLs, 1 x 82 RCL defend the desert and stop exit of Israeli 13.5 sqds with sws including 3 x M72s, 12 x M113A1s, 4x M113A3s, 2 x M113 60s, 5 x Magach 6s, 3 x Merkava 1s.

Leb82 #3 – Lebanon 7 June 1982 – Over 10.5 turns on Bds G7, G4, G12, G26, G10, G29 – PLO 24.5 sqds, 4 crews with sws including 6 x RPG-7s, 2 x Baz 67s in bunkers with 2 x 107 RCLs, 2 x 82 RCLs defend the town from Israeli 19.5 sqds, 4 crews with sws including 5x M72s, 2 x Baz 67s, 4 x Magach 6s, 3 x Merkava 1s, 8 x M113A1s, 2 x M125A2 (81mm Mtr APC), 2 x M113 52s

Leb82 #4 – Lebanon 8 June – Over 8.5 turns on Bds G20, G18, G11, G28, G29, G19 – Syrian 13 sqds, 8 crews with sws including 5 x RPG-7s, 6 x ATGNs, 2 x FTs with OBA, and 6 x BMP-1s ATGM armed APCs, 14 x T72As defend the town from Israeli 10 sqds 2 crews with sws including 3x M72s, 4 x Baz 67s, OBA as well, and 6 x Centurions, 3 x Magach 3s, 6 x M113A1s, 2 x M125A2 (81mm Mtr APC)

Leb82 #5 – Lebanon 8 June – Over 9 turns on Bds G11, G20, G15, G1, G26, G7, G21, G29, G2 – Syrian/PLA 13 sqds, 6 crews with sws including 4 x RPG-7s, 6 x ATMs, 3 x Amphib APC -BTR, 12 x T62s, 10 x T55As attack Israeli in defence with 7.5 sqds with sws including 1 x M72 and 2 x M113A1s, 6 x Merkava 1s, 5 x Magach 3s, reinforce T2 with 10 x centurions

Leb82 #6 - Lebanon 9th June – over 6.5 turns on Bds G13, G9 and G29 – PLO defends the hills with 13 sqds, 4 crews with sws including 4 x RPG-7s, 6 x ATGMs and 1 x RCL 107, 1 x RCL 82 from Israeli 8.5 sqds

Leb82 #7 – Lebanon 9th June – Over 11 turns on Bds G11, G18, G17, G13, G20, G29 – Syrians defend and prevent exit from a town with 24 sqds, 7 crews with sws including 6 x RPG-7s, 7 x ATGMs and 2 x Amphib APCs, 8 x T55As, 6 x T62s and 3 attack helicopters against Israeli 22 sqds, 3 crews with sws including 6 x M72s, 4 x Baz 67s, OBA nd 6 x Centurions, 6 x Magach 3s, 12 x M113A1s, 2 x M125A2 (81mm Mtr APC), 2 x M113 52s as well as 2 x attack helicopters and 5 x transport helicopters.

Leb82 #8 – Lebanon 11 1982 – Over 12 turns on Bds G2, G3, G5, G19, G27, G13, G11, G7, G6 – Both sides attack – Syrians 13 sqds, 2 crews with sws including 5x RPG-7s 3 x Amphib APCs, 15 x T62s and 6 x attack helicopters versus Israeli 9.5 sqds with sws including 3 x M72s, 4 x Baz 67s, OBA and 6 x Magach 3s, 6 x M113A1s, 1 x M125A2 (81mm Mtr APC), and 4 attack helicopters1153211533
 

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Fort Lahtzanit – Battles for the Bar-Lev Line

This historical product is setup just as an add on to the Arab Israeli war series to be the experience of the forts and nests that occurred next to the Suez Canal – so it’s a collection of ISralei defences in the forts or attacks adjacent to the Suez Canal – a generic fort is given and orders of battle vary using the “resistive nest” theory

Consists of 1 page of Historical blurb and some terrain and fortifications

No counter sheet QRDC (not in picture attached)

Bds G30-34

G30 – A board with a very large fort (12 x 15 hex) that is ubiquitous for the Forts f the time surrounded by bar wire on map and a sand hill trench

G31 – Straight Suez Canal (5-hex wide) with San Hills on either side

G32 – Straight Suez Canal (5 hex wide) with San Hills on either side

G33 – Bended Suez Canal associated with a town with twenty building and likely bridges

G34 - Bended Suez Canal associated with a much larger town including rubbled buildings.

8 Scenarios

BAR-LEV #1 – Sinai 6 October 1973 – Over 10.5 Turns on Bds G3, G20, G30,31,33 – Egyptians attack with Fort Budapest with 24 sqds, 6 crews with sws including 6 RPG-7s, 2 x 82 RCLs, 6 x Mine roller T34-85s, 8 x APCs versus defending Israeli 12 sqds, 5 crews with sws including 2 x Baz 67s, 6 bunkers, 96! AP mines, 3 x AT ditches, 4 Revetments with 2 x 120mm MTRs, 1 x 160 mm MTR, 2 x 81mm MTR, 4 x M48A2Cs (105L).

BAR-LEV #2 – Sinai 6 October 1973 – Over 10.5 Turns on Bds G33,15,8,10,1,31,7,5,30,2,32,19,21,27,18 (15 boards!) – Egyptians attack the fortifications with 23 sqds, 8 crews with sws including 6x RPG-7s, 3 x FTs, 6 x ATGMs, 2 x 82 RCLs, 2 x 85L ATGs against defending Israeli troops of 5 sqds with sws including 1 x Baz 67, 6 x Bunkers, 5 x Revetment, 96 AP mines, 8 x M48A2Cs (105L).

BAR-LEV #3 – Sinai 7 October 1973 – Over 8.5 Turns on Bds G33,11,21,32,5,8,31,6,7 – Egypt attacks with 10 sqds, 6 crews with sws including 4 x RPG-7s, 2 x ATGMs, OBA, 12 x T55s, 2 x bridge layers, 2 x Hts and 11 APCs versus Israeli 3 sqds, 1 crew with sws including Baz 67, 1 x 81mm MTR, Bunkers and 48 AP mines – reinforce T3 by 10 x Centurions (105L), 2 x MTR 120mm Hts, 2 x APCS with SAMs

BAR-LEV #4 – Sinai 8 October 1973 – Over 10 Turns on Bds G33,18,12,29,31,25,13,1 – Both Attack – Egypt has 13 sqds, 10 crews with sws including 4 x RPG-7s, 2 x ATGMs, 2 x 82 RCLs and 3 trucks, 8 APCs, 7 Hts, 2 Amphibs, 6 x T55s, 1 x SU100, 1 x Armed (ATGM) jeep versus 13.5 Israeli sqds with sws including 6 x M72s, 3 x Baz 67s, 12 APCS, 8 x M60A1s (105LL)

BAR-LEV #5 – Sinai 8 October 1973 – Over 9.5 Turns on Bds G32,33,34,13,15,24,27,21,25 – Egypt attacks the pontoon bridge on the Suez with 31 sqds, 15 crews with sws including 10 x RPG-7s, 3 x ATGMs, OBA x 2, 3 x 82 RCLs, 2 x 107 RCLs, 2 x 85L Art, 2 x 100L ATG, 4 x APCs, 3 x Amphibs, 6 x SU 100Ls versus Israeli 13 sqds with sws including 4 x M72s, 3 x Baz 67s, 14 APCs, 4 x M48A1s, 3 x M48A2s, 2 x M48A2Cs, 6 x Magach 3s, 2 by Armed (120mm MTR) hts.

BAR-LEV #6 – Sinai 8 October 1973 – Over 10.5 Turns on Bds G32,15,12,29,31,7,8,21- Israeli attacks with 19 Centurions (105L), 2 x armed (120mm MTR) hts, 2 x armed (20L) hts 1 x AML-90 AC- reinforced T3 by 6.5 sqds with sws including 2 x BAZ67s in 6 APCs versus Egypt defends with 14 sqds, 13 crews with sws including 5 x RPG-7s, 4 x ATGMs, OBA, 3 x 82 RCLs, 2 x 85L Art, 2 x 100L ATGs, 2 x T55s, 2 x SU 100Ls, 2 x Armed (ATGM) jeeps and reinforce T1 with 3 x armed (106 RCL) jeeps.

BAR-LEV #7 – Sinai 8 October 1973 – Over 16 Turns on Bds G33,4,7,10,5,34,10,12,30,21,31,19,6,27,3 (15 boards!) – Both sides attack with Egypt having 22 T62s and 2 x Amphibs reinforced T6 with 8 crews manning 8x ATGMs with 3 x trucks, 5 x Hts, 10 T54s, 8 x T55s versus Israeli 16 Centurions (105L), 2 x Armed (120mm MTR) hts and 1 x aML-90 AC.

BAR-LEV #8 – Sinai 15 October 1973 – Over 9 Turns on Bds G32, 32, 33,34,3,30,11,8 – Israel defends the fortifications with 9 sqds, 4 crews with sws including 2 x Baz 67s, 2 x 120mm MTRs, 1 x 160MM MTR 1 x 80mm MTR in bunkers (6), 72 AP mines, 3 x AT ditches, 4 x revetments and 2 x M482Cs reinforced T2 by 4 x M48A1s, 3 x M48A2s, 2 x M48A2Cs, 2 x ared (120mm MTR) hts. Defend against Egypt with 15 sqds, 8 crews with sw including 8 x RPG-7s, 6 x ATGMs reinforced on T1 by two groups – one in boats 10 sqds, 2 DCs and the other 7.5 sqds, 2 x RPG-7s, 3 x FTs – no armour



So that’s it for Arab Israeli conflict as of 2020 – maybe more will come – maybe not…….11534
 

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Thank you again for these detailed product descriptions! I am VERY interested in playing these campaigns, and I am amazed to see them being portrayed within ASL.

Regarding the '82 Lebanon product description, I'm curious as to why the Magach 6 and Merkava I's are listed as having a '105LL' MA, whereas the Centurion is listed as having a '105L' MA. My understanding is that each of these AFV's were armed with versions of the same L7 105mm weapon. Typo?
 

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I wonder if the Merkava had an updated fire control system. There was an updated digital fire control system in the Merkava and I do not see anything that says the Centurian had an equivalent system. Perhaps they are using the double L to simulate the better performance of that system.
 

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I believe that the Sho't Kal D had a pretty spiffy fire control system. Sho't was what the IDF called the Centurion, Sho't Kal was the Centurion with the new American engine and transmission, and D (Dalet-the fourth letter in the Hebrew alphabet) was the fourth version which entered into service around 1980.
 

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It looks like the Merkava had a slightly newer MA than did the Sho't Kal D. The Sho't Kal D had a 105mm L7A3 whereas the Merkava had a 105mm M68. The 105mm DM23 AP round the Sho't Kal D used also did not have quite the penetration that either the 105mm M735 AP or the 105mm M111 AP round used by the Merkava. BTW - The Merkava did meet the T-72 seven T-72s were destroyed by Israeli Merkavas in Lebanon. This appears to have pissed off the USSR who at the time were trying to promote its T-72 tanks.
 
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I would be very surprised if all Israeli tanks with 105mm ammo did not use the same ammunition. What evidence is there that the difference flavors of 105mm gun (British L7, American M68, the Israeli version built by IMI) had different ballistics?

The Syrian T-72 tanks were export grade versions of the basic T-72, which were definitely in a different and inferior class to the contemporaneous T-64B, T-72A and T-80B tanks that the better equipped Soviet units had. Not to mention that Syrian tankers tended to be lousy at their jobs. Plus the M111 105mm APFSDS round was world-class. BTW, I believe that the DM23 round was the M111.

It looks like the Merkava had a slightly newer MA than did the Sho't Kal D. The Sho't Kal D had a 105mm L7A3 whereas the Merkava had a 105mm M68. The 105mm DM23 AP round the Sho't Kal D used also did not have quite the penetration that either the 105mm M735 AP or the 105mm M111 AP round used by the Merkava. BTW - The Merkava did meet the T-72 seven T-72s were destroyed by Israeli Merkavas in Lebanon. This appears to have pissed off the USSR who at the time were trying to promote its T-72 tanks.
 

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I would be very surprised if all Israeli tanks with 105mm ammo did not use the same ammunition. What evidence is there that the difference flavors of 105mm gun (British L7, American M68, the Israeli version built by IMI) had different ballistics?
This is an excellent point. If these 105mm weapons are using the same ammunition, there is no reason why different aiming and fire control mechanisms (equipment which is separate from the actual gun tube itself) should have any effect regarding the velocity and terminal performance of the projectile.
 

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Recall we are talking about simulating reality in a game so it seems a reasonable conclusion. I am not particularly wedded to the values shown in the module, merely trying to find an explanation for them. However, it seems likely that the Merkava was superior to the Sho’t Kal of the same year. Note that the Magach of the same year also has the 105LL. In addition, it looks like the Merkava 1 had a laser sight that the Sho't Kal did not. As to sources I there were a number of online sites such as:

also
Modern Israeli Tanks and Infantry Carriers 1985–2004 (New Vanguard Book 93)

Admittedly hardly authoritative, but as I said I am not wedded to any of this just trying to explain the discrepancy.
 
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