Non-Qualified Use of an AT Gun

[cwillmer]

We are having some confusion about A21.13 Non-Qualified Use. The situation is a Russian 447 is manning a Russian 45L ATG that has a printed ROF of 3.

A21.13 states "An ordnance weapon which requires a crew to man it may be operated by non-qualified friendly MMC or qualified enemy MMC by applying the 21.11-.12 penalties to their use." A21.11 refers ONLY to captured Gun/SW and A21.12 refers ONLY to captured weapons. They seem to conflict (at least to us). So simple questions:

What is the B#/X#?

What is the ROF?

What is the B#/X# if the Gun takes an intensive fire shot?

Thanks

 

[Robin Reeve]

ROF -1
B#/X# -2

 

[Eagle4ty]

If Intensive fired the B#/X# of a Russian 45L crewed by an inexperienced crew would be Original TH DR=8 (-2 unqualified & -2 intensive fire).

 

[Robin Reeve]

We are having some confusion about A21.13 Non-Qualified Use. The situation is a Russian 447 is manning a Russian 45L ATG that has a printed ROF of 3.

A21.13 states "An ordnance weapon which requires a crew to man it may be operated by non-qualified friendly MMC or qualified enemy MMC by applying the 21.11-.12 penalties to their use." A21.11 refers ONLY to captured Gun/SW and A21.12 refers ONLY to captured weapons. They seem to conflict (at least to us). So simple questions:

What is the B#/X#?

What is the ROF?

What is the B#/X# if the Gun takes an intensive fire shot?

Thanks

21.13 refers also to the 21.11-12 penalties, so both rules are related - and not contradictory.

To be clearer : you have two possibly cumulative, but similar penalties :

• Unqualified use : a non crew manning a weapon (SW or Gun) which requires a crew.
• Captured penalty : using a weapon of another nationality.

Both penalties are B#/X# -2 and ROF -1.
If both conditions apply, the penalties are cumulative B#/X# -4 and ROF -2.

If Intensive fire is used, that adds its penalties (B#/X# -2 NO ROF).
If Intensive Firing a captured Gun by a non crew results in B#/X# -6 and NO ROF.

 

[NtheP]

If Intensive Firing a captured Gun by a non crew results in B#/X# -6 and NO ROF.

a good way to make pretty certain the owner doesn't get it back in working order

 

[Larry]

This is another A.11 problem. The B# keeps going down but the original B# is the new X# and stays that way.

C5.62:

5.62 MALFUNCTION: The B# of any Intensive Firing Gun decreases
by two while Intensive Firing (see A.11).

 

[Robin Reeve]

I think I played this wrong till now.
Thanks Larry.
But cumulative penalties are not very frequent IRL.

 

[Vinnie]

Of course once the thing breaks, with non qualified or captured use, you can't repair it. You can permanently disable a malfunctioned gun though.