Ambush when reinforcing a Close Combat (Pillbox)

[veron]

A11.4 AMBUSH states:

Whenever Infantry advance into CC (unless reinforcing a Melee) in a woods/building Location or with/against a concealed unit(s) an Ambush can conceivably occur.

What about when "reinforcing" a hex that already has units from both sides from a previous turn - but not in Melee - for example with a Pillbox?

 

[Vinnie]

If you advance in, and there is no melee in the hex, then ambush is possible.
Yet another reason not to put pillboxes in woods.

 

[klasmalmstrom]

Yet another reason not to put pillboxes in woods.

Or to voluntarily drop concealement on the units inside the pillbox - if that's the only thing allowing Ambush drs.

 

[veron]

Yet another reason not to put pillboxes in woods.

Often in PTO, for example Suicide Creek map, you don't really have a choice.

But thanks for the replies ?

 

[Stewart]

If you advance in, and there is no melee in the hex, then ambush is possible.
Yet another reason not to put pillboxes in woods.

There is NEVER Melee with units IN a PB....So, if you continue to ADV units in there every Player turn...You'd roll for AMBUSH?

 

[Vinnie]

There is NEVER Melee with units IN a PB....So, if you continue to ADV units in there every Player turn...You'd roll for AMBUSH?

Correct, but onky if you advance units in. If they are already in the hex, there is no ambush.

 

[Doug Leslie]

Or to voluntarily drop concealement on the units inside the pillbox - if that's the only thing allowing Ambush drs.

Can a unit drop concealment if there are no enemies with LOS?

 

[klasmalmstrom]

Can a unit drop concealment if there are no enemies with LOS?

A12.14:
"...The owning player can voluntarily remove any concealment at any time during his or his opponent’s Player Turn ..."

 

[Doug Leslie]

A12.14:
"...The owning player can voluntarily remove any concealment at any time during his or his opponent’s Player Turn ..."

So in the situation of an unconcealed MMC advancing into a pillbox hex with a view to CC against a concealed, stealthy occupant, would the concealment not offset the pillbox occupation DRM? Might be advantageous to stay concealed in that event ( for ambush purposes at least).

 

[klasmalmstrom]

So in the situation of an unconcealed MMC advancing into a pillbox hex with a view to CC against a concealed, stealthy occupant, would the concealment not offset the pillbox occupation DRM? Might be advantageous to stay concealed in that event ( for ambush purposes at least).

It would depend on the situation I think. If the concealment is the only thing that allows ambush (i.e., the pillbox is not in "ambush" (e.g., woods/jungle) terrain) it might be worth dropping it just to avoid the possibility of being ambushed.

E.g., it's the last CCPh of the scenario and the guys outside needs to Control the Pillbox. If there's no chance of Ambush then the only way they can do that is by Infiltration (i.e., kill you inside the pillbox and then "advance" in to take Control). By dropping concealment you take away the Ambush possibility.

Also note that by B30.7 concealment inside a pillbox never halves the FP of attacking units, so for CC purposes it does not matter.

 

[Stewart]

Couldn't s concealed unit move in to ambush?

 

[Vinnie]

Couldn't s concealed unit move in to ambush?

Yes, provided the PB is not in open ground as that would remove the ? when you advance.

 

[Stewart]

Yes, provided the PB is not in open ground as that would remove the ? when you advance.

What would cause that? If no Los existed

 

[Vinnie]

You would need someone else to see it or be coming across the ca

 

[Stewart]

So, since you aren't in melee, you could potentially ambush every one of your player turn ccph

 

[Stewart]

The way the rule reads.
They are in Los but with the PB restrictions