If you use the normal houses of EA, then only DAK and Italian Units can be shipped to North Africa or the Middle East. So it should be possible to invade Israel.
Few quick questions for the gurus
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If you use the normal houses of EA, then only DAK and Italian Units can be shipped to North Africa or the Middle East. So it should be possible to invade Israel.
Veers
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Sorry, guys, missed this.
How I have always played seems backed up by my recent search throught he scriptures:
Therefore,
A) Axis units can stage, attack from, defend into, and generaly mill about in, the Vichy areas.
B) The Allies can, likewise, enter the Vichy areas, of course, should they move next to a Vichy unit, then they have just created some enemies.
A note ont he Levant: Currently, with the SSRs (which I detest) the Axis can get supply into the Levant without controlling Cyprus (by way of that SSR into Turkey from that Italian island). My suggestion, move a Turkish unit there to stop that. SSRs are gone in 4.0, so this won't be a problem.
All this to say, supply is extremely tenuous to the Levant. The SSRs can pretty easily be interdicted by the Allies.
How I have always played seems backed up by my recent search throught he scriptures:
It seems also backed up by the fact that the Germans flooded French North Africa, a Vichy colony, when it was invaded by the Allies.Briefing said:
Therefore,
A) Axis units can stage, attack from, defend into, and generaly mill about in, the Vichy areas.
B) The Allies can, likewise, enter the Vichy areas, of course, should they move next to a Vichy unit, then they have just created some enemies.
A note ont he Levant: Currently, with the SSRs (which I detest) the Axis can get supply into the Levant without controlling Cyprus (by way of that SSR into Turkey from that Italian island). My suggestion, move a Turkish unit there to stop that. SSRs are gone in 4.0, so this won't be a problem.
All this to say, supply is extremely tenuous to the Levant. The SSRs can pretty easily be interdicted by the Allies.
Read Germans as Axis, I have changed this in the breifing.
B-snafu
Member
Thanks Veers for the clarification. Maybe in the new briefing just a little change to the Vichy movement statement such as "axis units can move through, attack out of, but not garrison Vichy territory"
I don't think I will attack through there but the chance should keep at least a british unit or so garrisoned in Isreal as was historicaly (I think). --(I know I don't need any more spare Brits shipped to the Morrocan front right now:nervous
B-snafu
Member
Another quick question just to be sure for one who is specially challenged. Fall of 40'-Italy not in the game, Norway not invaded, but Greece & yugo occupied --plan on just waiting till spring 41 to start Russian offensive.
I have been thinking of taking the "bomb British airfields" 50/50 % chance I win it or lose--if the "dice"roll doesn't go my way--I only lose one bomber unit But if I win--- & decide to not actually land troops in England-- I assume I still get the specialist & sea assault units and the permanent net bonus of 2000 shipping pts.
My question is---If I take the bomb airfied option--does a shock bonus option to invade England appear afterwards (kinda of like the barb bonus TO after declaring war on Russia). Can I just "bomb the airfields" without actually invading England & not give the soviets a TO to attack? If so--does the bombing TO raise the US entry variable or only if I take a Invade opt?
Sorry if this sounds stupid to you guys who are more familar with it.
I have been thinking of taking the "bomb British airfields" 50/50 % chance I win it or lose--if the "dice"roll doesn't go my way--I only lose one bomber unit But if I win--- & decide to not actually land troops in England-- I assume I still get the specialist & sea assault units and the permanent net bonus of 2000 shipping pts.
My question is---If I take the bomb airfied option--does a shock bonus option to invade England appear afterwards (kinda of like the barb bonus TO after declaring war on Russia). Can I just "bomb the airfields" without actually invading England & not give the soviets a TO to attack? If so--does the bombing TO raise the US entry variable or only if I take a Invade opt?
Sorry if this sounds stupid to you guys who are more familar with it.
Veers
Member
Assumption "Bomb the airfields" is actually a referance to the "Battle of Britain" TO.
No.
Yes.
Yes.
Briefing said:
Not stupid.
Veers
Member
Sorry missed this. By mill about, I was implying that Axis troops can be in Vichy territory whenever they'd like.
Historically, the Brits (and Indians, Ausies, and Free French) cleared Palestine of Vichy troops and occupied the area. The Germans did not heavily assist because, well, for one, they did not have a good supply route to there.I don't think I will attack through there but the chance should keep at least a british unit or so garrisoned in Isreal as was historicaly (I think). --(I know I don't need any more spare Brits shipped to the Morrocan front right now:nervous
B-snafu
Member
Another question Im curious about. The "Atlantic wall" consisting of coastal forts & garrison units showed up in my game in early 41 (if I remember correctly). Recently same type units showed up along the coast of axis occupied Yugoslavia & Greece. They were all yellow barred (reserve status I believe) & still are (12/1941). As I'm not real good with operating & looking into the editor--when exactly do they become active as I can't dig them in as is??
Due to that they are really worthless by themselves (one small diepe style raid by my opponent pushed them aside easily but at least that activated the two units that were attacked. Been having to keep more active units in the French ports then I wanted till I can dig in the "wall" units.
Due to that they are really worthless by themselves (one small diepe style raid by my opponent pushed them aside easily but at least that activated the two units that were attacked. Been having to keep more active units in the French ports then I wanted till I can dig in the "wall" units.
Veers
Member
They don't.
Well, certainly the Atlantic Wall was not garrisoned by coastal units all alone, mate.
Mark Stevens
Europe Aflame Forum Moderator
Problem is - someone correct me if I'm wrong - you can't make new forts, or any other units for that matter, appear on the map in fortified mode. If you allow them a movement point to dig themselves in you'll have the damn things strolling all over the place.
They are relatively weak and do need to be supported/occupied by other units if they're not to get brushed aside. The 'Atlantic Wall' was largely a figment of Hitler's imagination. Those great concrete bunker complexes you occasionally see pictured were few and far between, mainly around the major ports.
But you're right in that the coastal artillery at least shouldn't be in reserve mode, as that prevents them firing out to sea.
They are relatively weak and do need to be supported/occupied by other units if they're not to get brushed aside. The 'Atlantic Wall' was largely a figment of Hitler's imagination. Those great concrete bunker complexes you occasionally see pictured were few and far between, mainly around the major ports.
But you're right in that the coastal artillery at least shouldn't be in reserve mode, as that prevents them firing out to sea.
Mantis
Member
What I always do with the damned things seems obvious to me - I put them in Tac Reserve mode. At least that way, they'll fire. I mean, once they are knocked off of fortified (or appear unfortified), there is no way to get them back to fortified, so at least 'turn them on', so to speak. There should be an option in the game that *any* unit can fortify itself if it uses it's *full* turn allowance to do so, meaning that even units at 0 movement can entrench (if they do it prior to any rounds of combat).
The design-work-around to this is to place all the newly arriving forts at a size and scale somewhat larger to compensate for the lack of effectiveness. ie - is a mobile 14-14 worth the same as a fortified 10-10 type of thing. Or, to keep the artillery from being more effective than it should be, instead a small contigent of something purely defensive to make up for the lack of entrenchment the unit should have... Perhaps a number of funky rifle squads/equipement that provides a bit of staying power, but contributes nothing to artillery vs ships, etc?
The design-work-around to this is to place all the newly arriving forts at a size and scale somewhat larger to compensate for the lack of effectiveness. ie - is a mobile 14-14 worth the same as a fortified 10-10 type of thing. Or, to keep the artillery from being more effective than it should be, instead a small contigent of something purely defensive to make up for the lack of entrenchment the unit should have... Perhaps a number of funky rifle squads/equipement that provides a bit of staying power, but contributes nothing to artillery vs ships, etc?