Board 54 Hex BB2 Orchard Road

[Larry]

The physical board LOS down the road, the hex center dot does not stay in the road. The "top" half of the hex, the road meanders off the center line. The VASL board is true to its progenitor.

B14.6 -- Hindrance rules do not apply to such hexes if that portion of the LOS from firer to target within those hexes never leaves the confines of the road depiction regardless of the relative elevations of the firer/target; in such cases, the -1 FFMO DRM applies to Infantry using the road to move.

When the road does not cover the hex dot completely, has the LOS left the confines of the road depiction? Does BB2 hinder a shot down the road?

 

[Tuomo]

Carumba. Technically, one could argue that, yes, the LOS from AA2 to CC3 has left the road depiction. Good opportunity for a Common Sense Check with your opponent - I'd say the LOS is clear.

 

[sdennis]

If my opponent said that was not "down the road" I would start arguing shadows are part of the building, etc. (and likely find a new opponent)
The goal is not to win by lawyering

 

[klasmalmstrom]

When the road does not cover the hex dot completely, has the LOS left the confines of the road depiction? Does BB2 hinder a shot down the road?

Technically, yes it has.

When I proof maps with roads like BB2, this is exactly one thing I check for....so to avoid these things...

 

[Tuomo]

The goal is not to win by lawyering

YEAH LARRY

 

[Larry]

Not really sure whether the alternatives help the attacker or the defender.

 

[Stewart]

If my opponent said that was not "down the road" I would start arguing shadows are part of the building, etc. (and likely find a new opponent)
The goal is not to win by lawyering

That isn't the only example.
It simply leaves the road and therefore, is a hindrance.

 

[Larry]

That isn't the only example.
It simply leaves the road and therefore, is a hindrance.

I submit that what Klas says about proofing and what Tom says about producing maps -- activities that they both do on a regular basis -- is that we should consider it an artistic fudge and that the tree-ined road is straight enough when the road enters and exits opposite hexsides. But if we don't agree before the first die is cast, then we should not play that scenario.

 

[Tuomo]

"Artistic fudge" is pretty correct. Not done on purpose, but it's just damn easy to draw a road that curves slightly in a way that looks and feels fine without realizing there's a rules problem. Many (most?) terrain types have these things to be careful about. It really takes a team to triple-check these things. Less so than rules proofing, but nontrivial at that.

 

[klasmalmstrom]

On my actual board 54 is looks much closer than in the image in post #1. On the actual board the center dot is almost entirely within the road depiction. The LOS probably leaves the road depiction though.

 

[bendizoid]

The physical board LOS down the road, the hex center dot does not stay in the road. The "top" half of the hex, the road meanders off the center line. The VASL board is true to its progenitor.



When the road does not cover the hex dot completely, has the LOS left the confines of the road depiction? Does BB2 hinder a shot down the road?

Yes, a shot through BB2 is hindered. It seems to leave the road depiction.

 

[zgrose]

Perhaps a "hex-specific errata" is in our future (like those level two hills on board 47).