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1.Boney was a warrior
Away, a- yah!
A warrior and a terrier
Jean Francois!*
2. Boney fought the Russians
Away, a- yah!
The Russians and the Prussians.
Jean Francois!

3. Moscow was a-blazing
Away, a- yah!
And Boney was a-raging.
Jean Francois!

4. Boney went to Elba
Away, a- yah!
Boney he came back again.
Jean Francois!

5. Boney went to Waterloo
Away, a- yah!
There he got his overthrow.
Jean Francois!

6. Then they took him off again
Away, a- yah!
Aboard the Billy Ruffian.
Jean Francois!
7. He went to Saint Helena,
Away, a- yah!
There he was a prisoner,
Jean Francois!

8. Boney broke his heart and died
Away, a- yah!
Away in Saint Helena
Jean Francois!

9. Give her the t'gan's'ls
Away, a- yah!
Its a weary way to Baltimore.
Jean Francois!

10. Drive her, Cap'n, drive her
Away, a- yah!
And bust the chafing leather.
Jean Francois!
 
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Well they would have been pretty good to have predicted St Helena and Waterloo ... but, I guess those lines might have been added later.

Forgetting that .... Bernard Cornwell has managed to get to me.... am waiting for this one to come up -- I could do with a little Talavera. (Just got done with Sharpe's Eagle).
 
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If Wellington commisioned hundreds of sailors to fight in the peninsular in 1809- they probably taught the infantry the song - probably only the first bit and it was added to and finally compiled way after the Napoleonic wars. Some of the American Civil War songs were not sung at the time of the war, or were completed and added to- who knows !!!

As for Sharpe - thought the books were quite good, but did not like the series. Sean bean is a bit scrawny for me- but it did have one plus point which made me watch nevertheless........... !

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Oh ! Abigail ...................Mreeeooow !

Over the Hills and Far Away - this one started in the Seven Years War with Queen Anne...

Hark! Now the drums beat up again,
For all true soldier gentlemen,
Then let us 'list and march I say,
Over the hills and far away.

Chorus
Over the hills and o'er the main.
To Flanders, Portugal, and Spain,
Queen Anne commands and we'll obey.
Over the hills and far away.

All gentlemen that have a mind,
To serve the Queen that's good and kind,
Come 'list and enter into pay,
Then over the hills and far away.

Chorus

Here's forty shillings on the drum,
For those that volunteers do come,
With shirts, and clothes, and present pay,
Then o'er the hills and far away.

Chorus

No more from sound of drums retreat,
While Marlborough and Galway beat,
The French and Spaniards every day,
When o'er the hills and far away.

Chorus

The 'prentice Tom he may refuse,
To wipe his angry master's shoes,
For then he's free to sing and play,
Over the hills and far away.

Chorus

Come on then boys, and you shall see,
We every one shall captains be!
To whore and rant as well as they,
( Not with Abigail Cruttenden , you won't- she's all mine) :angry: HANDS OFF ! :ar15:
When over the hills and far away.

Chorus

We then shall lead more happy lives,
By getting rid of brats and wives,
That scold on both the night and day,
When over the hills and far away.
 
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trauth116, any internal information you have on JTS Peninsular War, feel free to post it, as you share website with Rahamy... :p

For example now that you talk about Talavera, the first PW volume will include the year 1809? :crosseye:


So far I have only watched the first 2 episodes of Sharpe's series (and of course with subtitles), Rifles and Eagle and have enjoyed them :)

Sean Bean seems fine to me in his role, for some reason I remember his words when is reviewing the assigned riflemen :D

Chosen men, eh?

Well... I didn't choose you



I also like Wellesley and Hogan actors, but unfortunately Wellesley actor was changed or the next episodes and Hogan disappears because Brian Cox had health issues :OHNO:




Over the Hills and Far Away version in the series is also wonferful
 
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No no no no no, Nikel, I don't mean to mislead you - I don't have any information from JTS other than I understand they are working on a title for that.

I was in 'nostalgia mode' - my first Clash of Arm's 'La Bataille' game was Talavera.

As for Sharpe... I bought Sharpe's Rifles a long long time ago in a bookshop up in Canada -my first exposure to that series. I got the shows (well all but the last 2 or 3 I think), and for whatever reason Harper-Collins ( Bernard Cornwell's publisher) seems to have grab bag style discount paperback books that stores can order by the box - and these almost always had included some Sharpes books, so I started picking up a few. Earlier this year I decided to start reading them in chronological order (since Cornwell did not write them in any particular order).

Anyways, I like them, like Sean Bean as Sharpe, as well as Hogan. The books are on a larger scale of course, as in the tv episode Sharpe's Rifles he is commanding something like 5 guys where in the book it is about a company sized group of remnants (something like 40 or 50 men iirc). These guys got cut off from the 95th as they retreated with Moore's force - which is how Cornwell eventually gets them to Talavera without having the 95th actually being present. There are no tv episodes that directly relate to the first 3 books of the set -which are set in India- the first one being set in 1799 (Tipu Sultan, the Mysore War, Seringapatam -things like that, the second book eventually gets to the Battle of Assaye, and the third one was a siege of a mountain fortress -which I forgot the name of the place and have to go and look up sometime). The Indian books are good, as they show how the book series develops how Sharpe goes from private to sgt to ensign. While I like the books, they do sort of seem a lot like the old Conan the Barbarian books - which I suppose is ok, as it is all good fun, but might not be to everyone's liking.

I think Hogan comes and goes in the books as well, as in the book Sharpe's Rifles he only appears after all of the action is over, and there is no "Rothschild's thing" happening there or a Mrs Parker who is actually a man in disguise :D ).

The original actor that was going to be Richard Sharpe was one of the actors from Withnail & I. Forget the guy's name -and the only thing I remember from the movie is these 2 young guys trying to save money on heating, rubbing themselves down with the local equivalent of Ben Gay.
 

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Those Sharpe's ones also take place after the Napoleonic Wars as well (from what I've read...Harper doesn't appear in the books until Sharpe's Rifles - Obadiah Hawkeswill does though). I think one of them Sharpe and Harper go to South America and find Blas Vivar, I guess he gets caught up in the revolutions there.

All I am to the Tiller stuff is a sometimes playtester, so I don't really know much. I suppose I ought to write notes when I read something on a messageboard, but sometimes I don't, but no I am not claiming that I know really all that much more than you guys do. I don't want to present myself as anything other than that. I probably know guys who do know those answers, but they don't talk to me. It is probably better that way.
 

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Good pressure Nikel! :devil:
Heh, well you know I just mainly run a fan site... that's all. I do see stuff on publicly posted boards which is fair game. Since I don't run a news site, I don't always make a note of what I have seen and where (and I don't want to be just some guy making a post when I write about stuff like that). I guess I should be flattered, though ... :) .

You know I don't think I have ever rated the evil dancing banana smiley on any board ever... I feel like I have finally achieved something :D .
 
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You know I don't think I have ever rated the evil dancing banana smiley on any board ever... I feel like I have finally achieved something :D .
I had always wanted to use these wonderful icons, and never had a chance until today. I'm happy and I can die in peace :laugh:.
 

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Good pressure Nikel! :devil:
I try and try again, but get nothing :)

Rahamy is nearly absent and only post regarding support questions. We will have to wait for the day of release


Evil dancing banana? I thought it was a chili :D
 
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Childe Harold's Pilgrimage, Canto the First

George Gordon, Lord Byron
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XIV.

On, on the vessel flies, the land is gone,
And winds are rude in Biscay's sleepless bay.
Four days are sped, but with the fifth, anon,
New shores descried make every bosom gay;
And Cintra's mountain greets them on their way,
And Tagus dashing onward to the Deep,
His fabled golden tribute bent to pay;
And soon on board the Lusian pilots leap,
And steer 'twixt fertile shores where yet few rustics reap.

XV.

Oh, Christ! it is a goodly sight to see
What Heaven hath done for this delicious land!
What fruits of fragrance blush on every tree!
What goodly prospects o'er the hills expand!
But man would mar them with an impious hand:
And when the Almighty lifts his fiercest scourge
'Gainst those who most transgress his high command,
With treble vengeance will his hot shafts urge
Gaul's locust host, and earth from fellest foemen purge

XVI.

What beauties doth Lisboa first unfold!
Her image floating on that noble tide,
Which poets vainly pave with sands of gold,
But now whereon a thousand keels did ride
Of mighty strength, since Albion was allied,
And to the Lusians did her aid afford:
A nation swoln with ignorance and pride,
Who lick yet loathe the hand that waves the sword
To save them from the wrath of Gaul's unsparing lord.

XVII.

But whoso entereth within this town,
That, sheening far, celestial seems to be,
Disconsolate will wander up and down,
'Mid many things unsightly to strange ee;
For hut and palace show like filthily:
The dingy denizens are reared in dirt;
Ne personage of high or mean degree
Doth care for cleanness of surtout or shirt,
Though shent with Egypt's plague, unkempt, unwashed, unhurt.

XVIII.

Poor, paltry slaves! yet born 'midst noblest scenes--
Why, Nature, waste thy wonders on such men?
Lo! Cintra's glorious Eden intervenes
In variegated maze of mount and glen.
Ah, me! what hand can pencil guide, or pen,
To follow half on which the eye dilates
Through views more dazzling unto mortal ken
Than those whereof such things the Bard relates,
Who to the awe-struck world unlocked Elysium's gates.

XIX.

The horrid crags, by toppling convent crowned,
The cork-trees hoar that clothe the shaggy steep,
The mountain-moss by scorching skies imbrowned,
The sunken glen, whose sunless shrubs must weep,
The tender azure of the unruffled deep,
The orange tints that gild the greenest bough,
The torrents that from cliff to valley leap,
The vine on high, the willow branch below,
Mixed in one mighty scene, with varied beauty glow.

XX.

Then slowly climb the many-winding way,
And frequent turn to linger as you go,
From loftier rocks new loveliness survey,
And rest ye at "Our Lady's house of Woe;"
Where frugal monks their little relics show,
And sundry legends to the stranger tell:
Here impious men have punished been, and lo!
Deep in yon cave Honorius long did dwell,
In hope to merit Heaven by making earth a Hell.

XXI.

And here and there, as up the crags you spring,
Mark many rude-carved crosses near the path:
Yet deem not these Devotion's offering--
These are memorials frail of murderous wrath:
For wheresoe'er the shrieking victim hath
Pour'd forth his blood beneath the assassin's knife,
Some hand erects a cross of mouldering lath;
And grove and glen with thousand such are rife
Throughout this purple land, where Law secures not life.

XXII.

On sloping mounds, or in the vale beneath,
Are domes where whilome kings did make repair;
But now the wild flowers round them only breathe:
Yet ruined Splendour still is lingering there.
And yonder towers the Prince's palace fair:
There thou too, Vathek! England's wealthiest son,
Once formed thy Paradise, as not aware
When wanton Wealth her mightiest deeds hath done,
Meek Peace voluptuous lures was ever wont to shun.

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XXXV.

Oh, lovely Spain! renowned, romantic Land!
Where is that standard[58] which Pelagio bore,
When Cava's traitor-sire first called the band
That dyed thy mountain streams with Gothic gore?
Where are those bloody Banners which of yore
Waved o'er thy sons, victorious to the gale,
And drove at last the spoilers to their shore?
Red gleamed the Cross, and waned the Crescent pale,
While Afric's echoes thrilled with Moorish matrons' wail.

...
LXV.

Fair is proud Seville; let her country boast
Her strength, her wealth, her site of ancient days;
But Cadiz, rising on the distant coast,
Calls forth a sweeter, though ignoble praise.
Ah, Vice! how soft are thy voluptuous ways!
While boyish blood is mantling, who can 'scape
The fascination of thy magic gaze?
A Cherub-Hydra round us dost thou gape,
And mould to every taste thy dear delusive shape.
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XC.

Not all the blood at Talavera shed,
Not all the marvels of Barossa's fight,
Not Albuera lavish of the dead,
Have won for Spain her well asserted right.
When shall her Olive-Branch be free from blight?
When shall she breathe her from the blushing toil?
How many a doubtful day shall sink in night,
Ere the Frank robber turn him from his spoil,
And Freedom's stranger-tree grow native of the soil!

Exact view of the French infantry under Leval and Sebastiani as they advanced on Wellesley's lines on the Cerro de Medellin..... Vive Victor !

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Probably, the first thing I will do with the Peninsular War Campaign game ,is take the Allied line in flank with Ruffin's Division. Something that was not possible within the parameter strictures of the , Clash of Arms, "Talavera", game, as the British infantry would make 200 or 300 man loss results on the French infantry when in line, making it impossible to achieve in practice, in this game. Bye Bye Wellesley ! Revenge :( :bite:
 
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3 french corps (Soult, Ney and Mortier) were a bit far but coming from Salamanca to cut the retreat of the english army to Portugal, if so Wellesley could have been smashed.

Tactically another alternative is to try the spanish line in the right allied flank, but if the spanish line is held... :laugh: Perhaps is what Wellesley was expecting instead of what the french finally did? :crosseye:
 

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Odd, the first thing I do as Wellesley is forget about Cuestra and take on Victor about a week earlier.

Then the rest is relatively academic. :smoke::bite:
 

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But W was a safe man and did not want to attack Victor alone ;)

But I guess this possibility will be one of the variants of Talavera scenario :)
 
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Who cares , as long as Wellesley is defeated; once he gets into the habit of defeat and loss- he will do it eventually at Waterloo.
There is no reason for Joseph not to defeat him at Talavera. The only question is how strictured the French cavalry will be in the historical scenario - released early- they can split the Spanish from the Brits, leaving Wellesley no escape route on the wrong side of the Tagus.......
 
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Who cares , as long as Wellesley is defeated; once he gets into the habit of defeat and loss- he will do it eventually at Waterloo.
There is no reason for Joseph not to defeat him at Talavera. the only question is how strictured the French cavalry will be in the historical scenario- released early- they can split the Spanish from the Brits, leaving wellesley no escape route on the wrong side of the Tagus.......

LOL, do you want to rewrite history? But I do not think that there will be a linking campaign from Talavera to Waterloo :D ;)


Joseph command was just nominal and do not think he was even interested in warfare and was not able to control Napoleon's marshals along the war :crosseye: No doubt he would have been a better king than the awful Fernando VII, but in a peaceful country.


Jourdan perhaps should have tried to hold the allies until Soult was nearer. Probably a second fighting retreat :D (first was Moore) would have happened, to Cadiz or Gibraltar.
 

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There wasn't any reason for the Mahrattas not to have beaten Wellesley either... however, based upon the man's record, it seems as if he was special.

God Save the King. :bandrum:

"Safe man" - yes, and when your allies rout at the sound of their own volley, it tends to mean you end up defending on your own. :D Or so it happened.
 
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