OBA, observer and his SR.

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Hello,
hoping that I have posted in the right group I lay out my idea for you to give it a rating.
I point out that this is a "tactic" used at least until recently and thus, certainly, also applied during WW2.

In the various steps to activate an OBA fire there are various indicators which indicate:
AR = the point at which the observer intends to drop the battery/section fire;
SR = the point at which the Artillery/howitzer/mortar shot actually falls;
FFE = the fire of the entire battery/section.
In my life I happened to participate, as an aircraft crew, in an observer activity for a 120mm mortar battery.
The activity was carried out as follows:
  1. the observer, having made contact with the battery coordinator (contact indicators and battery access), gave the coordinates of the point to be hit and that he was observing (AR indicator);
  2. the "basic weapon" of the battery (same caliber), fires a shot to see if it falls where the observer established (SR);
  3. if the shot from the base weapon falls where the observer wanted, the order is given to the whole battery to fire on that point otherwise the various corrections to the shot are given such as 150 right, forward 200, etc..(expressed in meters/feet).
Therefore, this might be an idea to consider an SR as an OBA shot of the same type, caliber and with the same effects as the same battery but ONLY in the hex where it falls.
This would also give the advantage of not "gaming" dropping an SR near or on top of one's own units for the sole reason of having a better LOS at the same SR.
For the same reason, during the initial phase of placing an AR (initial coordinates of the target) I would not make the observer lose contact and access to the battery if the observer no longer has his AR in LOS because, as in reality, no longer seeing the desired coordinates does not mean losing contact and subsequent access to the battery itself.

A basic weapon is defined as a single artillery/howitzer/mortar piece of the same battery/section that applies the coordinates given by the observer and that once corrected or validated by the firing observer, are transmitted from the basic weapon to the other components of the same battery/section.
 
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Hello,

Therefore, this might be an idea to consider an SR as an OBA shot of the same type, caliber and with the same effects as the same battery but ONLY in the hex where it falls.
The game issue here is that the SR never needs to be converted to a FFE and the observer may continue to bombard with SR's all around the map.
 

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Hi,
you are right and therefore a small rule should also be added that prevents an less than honest player from doing so.


The game issue here is that the SR never needs to be converted to a FFE and the observer may continue to bombard with SR's all around the map.
 

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..for my part, certainly yes, otherwise I wouldn't have written it.. but I repeat, if you think it's useless I can delete it without any problem.

Shame. It actually sounded like some thought wuz put into it...
 

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..for my part, certainly yes, otherwise I wouldn't have written it.. but I repeat, if you think it's useless I can delete it without any problem.
The reason I ask is that people keep presenting what they think a rule should be....some of them even have some merit like this one.....and nothing happens.

<shrug>
 

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Jazz,
I laid out this idea of mine with you all to see if it could be valid then, Stewart pointed out to me that there is a flaw in the rule that some players could take advantage of.
So, while I was waiting for a suggestion on how this could be avoided and in the meantime I was trying to develop a small addition that could avoid this, this request of yours came up that I understood as a "useless post"...



The reason I ask is that people keep presenting what they think a rule should be....some of them even have some merit like this one.....and nothing happens.

<shrug>
 

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I think from the point of view of the game's abstraction the spotting round isn't sufficiently "aimed" to have an in-game effect. Same sort of thing as a large caliber direct fire "shot" that misses. IRL that shell is going to hit SOMEWHERE and potentially ruin somebody's day, but it just doesn't count within the game (except for instances like a hex overstacked with vehicles).
 

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Hello Gordon,
what you wrote doesn't make a dent because indeed the rules of the game don't even account for HE aircraft bombs going off target (E7.42).

I think from the point of view of the game's abstraction the spotting round isn't sufficiently "aimed" to have an in-game effect. Same sort of thing as a large caliber direct fire "shot" that misses. IRL that shell is going to hit SOMEWHERE and potentially ruin somebody's day, but it just doesn't count within the game (except for instances like a hex overstacked with vehicles).
 
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Although after your interventions I think it is useless to continue because one should then also consider 150/200mm aircraft bombs/Rockets going off target, etc., I add a small rule that should prevent some players from taking advantage of it:

SR (HE & WP): after the first correction, if a SR corrected again without the consequent transformation into FFE1, falls on a known enemy unit it will have to be transformed into FFE1: if it falls on unknown enemy units "?" it will have to transform into FFE1: only after receiving an extra Black chit.

This rule does not apply to Smoke missions.
 

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Final consideration: it is not bad to dialogue with different people (Jazz "provocateur", stewart, Gordon, etc..) even and then your idea dissolves like a cloud..
 
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However, it was a topic addressed in SL, not for OBA fire but only for direct Hit, which were then canceled in ASL..
 

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However, it was a topic addressed in SL, not for OBA fire but only for direct Hit, which were then canceled in ASL..
..sorry, and also for rockets and aircraft bombs (Stukas/Sturmovik) that miss the target (COI - 101.423/additional rule A).
 

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Final consideration: it is not bad to dialogue with different people (Jazz "provocateur", stewart, Gordon, etc..) even and then your idea dissolves like a cloud..
Wow! "Provocateur". Nicest thing I've been called all week.
 
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