I’m looking for some assistance with the Glider rules – particularly the Defensive Final fire rules (ie, after the glider has landed but before exiting in the AFPh. Any glider pilots lurking out there that can help? (sorry for the long post)
E8.3 tells us that any unit eligible for final fire can attack the Glider on the vehicle kill number line on the IFT. But what are the effects of that attack, particularly if you miss?
The Annual96 article “Flight School” says that is the Glider is eliminated (less than vehicle kill number) all passengers make a crew survival DR with cs# of 7. Then it says that an attack can damage the glider if the DR equals the vehicle kill number (which, under the damage rules, means the occupants undergo casualty reduction and are broken). But if the attack ‘misses’ then the Passengers (ie, the occupants) are still affected by a NMC or PTC result. I think this comes from E8.3’s reference to A.7308 and the affect of fire on trucks or unarmored vehicles.
Carl Nogueira’s article on Gliders in DFTB 48 (part of his excellent Tactical Tips series – thanks Carl!) agrees that if the glider is eliminated, the passengers roll for cs; if the glider is damaged, it suffers damage as per the glider damage rules. But Mr. Nogueira says that if the attack ‘misses’ the glider, the contents are unharmed – regardless of whether a NMC or PTC would occur. (He terms a glider a “truck with a difference,” a catchy term). The basis for this is, I believe, E8.4, which points out that when the troops come out of the glider during the AFPh, that is the first time they are placed onboard and at this point assume their own morale, etc.
So:
1) If my attack on a glider as Defensive Final Fire ‘misses’ the glider (ie, DR higher than vehicle kill number), do I resolve it as a NMC or PTC if I get that result on the IFT (per Annual96), or do I ignore the results (per Mr. Nogueira)? (Or am I utterly off base?)
2) not really a question but a commentary – the ‘eliminated’ result on Final Fire doesn’t make sense: if I pass the cs roll my troops come out ok, but if I ‘damage’ the glider then I get a casualty reduction, with the troops broken. I’d rather damage the glider than eliminate it! I guess the rationale is that there is a risk of KIA'ing the squad if it is eliminated. My view is that while the troops are in the glider the results should be consistent – eliminated means all gone (with no cs), damaged means CR, miss means miss. But I’m no expert, and I can see the rationale that while in the air an eliminated means you're in really bad shape, as opposed to getting hit on the ground (slightly less bad shape).
Any help appreciated, and Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays. My glider days harken back to “Rehearsal for Crete” from COD and have recently been rekindled thanks to the HOB/Kreta folks and the Bunker crew for their glider scenarios (the Op. Varsity scenarios are a lot of fun).
E8.3 tells us that any unit eligible for final fire can attack the Glider on the vehicle kill number line on the IFT. But what are the effects of that attack, particularly if you miss?
The Annual96 article “Flight School” says that is the Glider is eliminated (less than vehicle kill number) all passengers make a crew survival DR with cs# of 7. Then it says that an attack can damage the glider if the DR equals the vehicle kill number (which, under the damage rules, means the occupants undergo casualty reduction and are broken). But if the attack ‘misses’ then the Passengers (ie, the occupants) are still affected by a NMC or PTC result. I think this comes from E8.3’s reference to A.7308 and the affect of fire on trucks or unarmored vehicles.
Carl Nogueira’s article on Gliders in DFTB 48 (part of his excellent Tactical Tips series – thanks Carl!) agrees that if the glider is eliminated, the passengers roll for cs; if the glider is damaged, it suffers damage as per the glider damage rules. But Mr. Nogueira says that if the attack ‘misses’ the glider, the contents are unharmed – regardless of whether a NMC or PTC would occur. (He terms a glider a “truck with a difference,” a catchy term). The basis for this is, I believe, E8.4, which points out that when the troops come out of the glider during the AFPh, that is the first time they are placed onboard and at this point assume their own morale, etc.
So:
1) If my attack on a glider as Defensive Final Fire ‘misses’ the glider (ie, DR higher than vehicle kill number), do I resolve it as a NMC or PTC if I get that result on the IFT (per Annual96), or do I ignore the results (per Mr. Nogueira)? (Or am I utterly off base?)
2) not really a question but a commentary – the ‘eliminated’ result on Final Fire doesn’t make sense: if I pass the cs roll my troops come out ok, but if I ‘damage’ the glider then I get a casualty reduction, with the troops broken. I’d rather damage the glider than eliminate it! I guess the rationale is that there is a risk of KIA'ing the squad if it is eliminated. My view is that while the troops are in the glider the results should be consistent – eliminated means all gone (with no cs), damaged means CR, miss means miss. But I’m no expert, and I can see the rationale that while in the air an eliminated means you're in really bad shape, as opposed to getting hit on the ground (slightly less bad shape).
Any help appreciated, and Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays. My glider days harken back to “Rehearsal for Crete” from COD and have recently been rekindled thanks to the HOB/Kreta folks and the Bunker crew for their glider scenarios (the Op. Varsity scenarios are a lot of fun).
