German SdKfz 10/5 counter depiction error - should be OT

[rossssss]

The German SdKfz 10/5, German Vehicle Note 88.1, is OT and should have its vehicle depiction with the white background. The VASL counter, probably cloned and edited from its cousin the SdKfz 10/4, which is CT, shows as CT. It's under SPA > AAht > SdKfz 10/5. The physical counter came with VotG and is OT.

 

[bprobst]

The SdKfz 10/4 is not "CT", it is unarmoured.

You're correct about the 10/5, though.

 

[brunger]

The German SdKfz 10/5, German Vehicle Note 88.1, is OT and should have its vehicle depiction with the white background. The VASL counter, probably cloned and edited from its cousin the SdKfz 10/4, which is CT, shows as CT. It's under SPA > AAht > SdKfz 10/5. The physical counter came with VotG and is OT.

What about the Sdkfz 10/5 note 14 in crucible is steel? Is it a modified version?

 

[von Marwitz]

What about the Sdkfz 10/5 note 14 in crucible is steel? Is it a modified version?

Because it was used in a city fight to engage infantry and the crew and the vehicle was quite vulnerable to small arms fire, armour plates were applied to the front and to form a cabin for the drivers. This also provided some cover for the crew manning the AA-gun on the halftrack's bed.

von Marwitz

 

[brunger]

Because it was used in a city fight to engage infantry and the crew and the vehicle was quite vulnerable to small arms fire, armour plates were applied to the front and to form a cabin for the drivers. This also provided some cover for the crew manning the AA-gun on the halftrack's bed.

von Marwitz

But it’s not open topped in crucible of steel? Just wondering if it’s an error or a different modification?

 

[von Marwitz]

But it’s not open topped in crucible of steel? Just wondering if it’s an error or a different modification?

I have checked the physical counters by MMP, in which the SdKfz 10/5 is shown as open topped. That's what it should be classified historically as well. Quote of the vehicle note:

88.1. SdKfz 10/5: The later versions of the SdKfz 10/4 were equipped with the newer 2.0cm FlaK 38 AA gun; these upgunned versions of the SdKfz 10/4 were given the designation SdKfz 10/5. For added protection, 8mm armour plate was added to the front of the vehicle cab and gunshield beginning in late 1942. In 1943 the number of crewmen was reduced from six to four. Photographic evidence and tactical use suggests that leichte FlaK units participating in the street fighting in Stalingrad were likely equipped with SdKfz 10/5.
† These are partially Armored AFV, with armour only on their front Target Facing.
See also German Vehicle Notes A, D.


Picture of SdKfz 10/5:



Picture of SdKfz 10/4:




von Marwitz

 

[brunger]

I have checked the physical counters by MMP, in which the SdKfz 10/5 is shown as open topped. That's what it should be classified historically as well. Quote of the vehicle note:

88.1. SdKfz 10/5: The later versions of the SdKfz 10/4 were equipped with the newer 2.0cm FlaK 38 AA gun; these upgunned versions of the SdKfz 10/4 were given the designation SdKfz 10/5. For added protection, 8mm armour plate was added to the front of the vehicle cab and gunshield beginning in late 1942. In 1943 the number of crewmen was reduced from six to four. Photographic evidence and tactical use suggests that leichte FlaK units participating in the street fighting in Stalingrad were likely equipped with SdKfz 10/5.
† These are partially Armored AFV, with armour only on their front Target Facing.
See also German Vehicle Notes A, D.


Picture of SdKfz 10/5:

View attachment 18690

Picture of SdKfz 10/4:

View attachment 18691


von Marwitz

Thanks nice photos