The Distant Guns DRM thread of doom (do not create new DRM threads below)

[chetnikk]

You on the contrary have no respect toward Mr. Koger...

I came by it honest. Koger has always been one of my favorites, and his body of work is impeccable.

But that was then. This is now. Like it or not, copy protection is a hot-button issue for people, especially wargamers who tend to keep games for years. Indeed, one of the reasons Koger is so well-respected is that his games have such excellent replayability values. Using one of Koger's own products as an example, if Talonsoft had employed a user-hostile form of copy protection, I would have been unable to install/play "The Operational Art of War" after that publisher's demise.

In other words, if TOAW had featured activation, and had died along with Talonsoft, would anybody remember Koger today?

John R.

 

[Bloodstar]

Actually it is to me, because every time new game for which I make fan page is released I get crack begging e-mails... even when copy protection gets removed like in Hearts of Iron 1.03!

600+ posts! You got lot of free time..

First welcome to the Warfare HQ, never liked SZO name hehe I have problems with smileys etc I will have to report this... Hmm on copy protection more in my next post... BTW, I am long time here so 600+ posts are not that much really. Mario

 

[Bloodstar]

I came by it honest. Koger has always been one of my favorites, and his body of work is impeccable.

But that was then. This is now. Like it or not, copy protection is a hot-button issue for people, especially wargamers who tend to keep games for years. Indeed, one of the reasons Koger is so well-respected is that his games have such excellent replayability values. Using one of Koger's own products as an example, if Talonsoft had employed a user-hostile form of copy protection, I would have been unable to install/play "The Operational Art of War" after that publisher's demise.

In other words, if TOAW had featured activation, and had died along with Talonsoft, would anybody remember Koger today?

John R.

John, I respect your opinion and I am not NK lawyer here. I will repeat some of my views from Usenet. Time has changed since 1998-2000. and TOAW era. Every kid around the world have ADSL (well mostly, some are on dial up but have pirating buddy around corner in some cases). What we must realize, although gaming and wargaming companies will rarely give you data on pirating loss, sales of their games, their credit lines, investors, marketing costs, you name it, costs of developing games etc... Why would Norm Koger put a four years of HIS LIFE and Jim Rose, invest enormous times to research technology and everything for game, money etc... and then watch as it fall apart? So it's not black and white thing. Copy protection is nececary. And it's not the end of the world. Period. Also I want developers like NK in business and not out of business. They must pay the bills as well. So copy protection thing is just something that really customers must bear with developers... Developers must introduce copy protection in order to run their business. We just disagree in thing that is game breaking thing for some of you and not for me and some other people. There is also a argument that if Half Life 2 needed copy protection, DG need it as well. I don't accept the "fact" that wargamer are less pirated - again show me the FACTS BASED ON TRUE DATA! Do you have them? It is easier for Matrix to have lighter copy protection when they have 50 games in their catalogue, wait that SES have that many games in their catalogue and grow in fact.... I don't see this as a trend - in fact maybe in future SES will have lighter copy protection sheme but please don't kill it on their flagship, first product! That is just my reasoning. Mario

 

[Dr Zaius]

Hey guys, if you have criticisms or concerns about any game--including Distant Guns--you are, of course, free to post them. All we ask is that you remain civil when dealing with other members, mods, or visiting developers.

If, in the end, Storm Eagle Studios elects to add/delete game features or do business in a way that you don't like, then provide your feedback and accept that the company must do what it feels is best for business. There is no justification for insulting or attacking the developers because they choose to do business differently than you would.

 

[cameronian]

There is no justification for insulting or attacking the developers because they choose to do business differently than you would. In some circles it seems to be "hip" to attack Microsoft because of their near-monopoly on operating systems and such. But Storm Eagle Studios is hardly Microsoft and I don't see them forcing a product on anyone.

Nobody has insulted the developers Don, you seem to be suffering from an acute attack of 'ring twitch'. If they (the developers) can't take a bit of rough then they shouldn't be here; personally if the situation was revesred I'd be more upset (embarassed) by the grovelling and secophancy of some of the earlier posts.

Question Norm, if you had incorporated this form of protection in AOR who would be 'enabling' me to play given SSI's demise?

(hint - the answer is an anagram of odybno)

 

[Dr Zaius]

Nobody has insulted the developers Don, you seem to be suffering from an acute attack of 'ring twitch'. If they (the developers) can't take a bit of rough then they shouldn't be here; personally if the situation was revesred I'd be more upset (embarassed) by the grovelling and secophancy of some of the earlier posts.

First, my comments were not aimed at anyone in particular, so why would a request to keep the discussion civil upset you?

And, yes, a bunch of insults have already been thrown around.

 

[Lempereur1]

Cameronian....Hail and well met....

Cammy:

First let me thank you for your keen interest in our upcoming release "Distant Guns". Devotion such as yours is rare in the gaming community. Norm and I are honored that you are comparing us to other illustrious game developers.

On the battlefield, facts are sometimes obscured by the smoke of the diversionary attack. Many battles have been won by the general that could see through the diversions and ascertain the real weakness of his enemy.

The other side of the coin reveals a tendency of weaker opponents to select less than ideal tactics. These choices usually portray either a self perceived weakness or a substandard army with which he must employ in the upcoming conflict.

Since Storm Eagle Studios announced Distant Guns, we have not had one single email sent to us complaining about anything, much less our copy protection methods, except for one thing. Fans have complained that we have not shipped the game yet. Period.

Norm Koger has supported the games he has developed longer than anyone I know. He still answers email from fans of all his games going all the way back to his first game.

It is clear to everyone here that there are certain people who are scared to death that the "Guard" has been committed. Those 7 Ft tall, bearskin hat wearing, honor bound soldiers truely are breathtaking, dont you think? There is no need to go into this subject any further.

Enjoy the smiley faces, I really like them!:smoke:




Oh, Cammy, one more thing.

Did I forget to mention that the 1st Corp is about to smash your Right flank and the Guard Horse artillery just unlimbered right in front of you?

 

[eddysterckx]

Since Storm Eagle Studios announced Distant Guns, we have not had one single email sent to us complaining about anything, much less our copy protection methods, except for one thing. Fans have complained that we have not shipped the game yet. Period.

Well, putting your fingers in your ears and singing "LA LA LA LA" isn't going to make this issue go away.

"We haven't received a mail, thus there are no problems" - :whist: Great, just great.

The really ironic thing is that you've got a nice big "news letter" link on your website inviting people to give their email so you can send them news about the game .

I must have subscribed in the week the website launched. Total number of emails received : nada, zip, zero. By your logic I'm bound to assume that there's no progress in the development of the game.

Oh, and you can check it : it's eddysterckx@hotmail.com

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

 

[Bloodstar]

Well, putting your fingers in your ears and singing "LA LA LA LA" isn't going to make this issue go away.

"We haven't received a mail, thus there are no problems" - :whist: Great, just great.

The really ironic thing is that you've got a nice big "news letter" link on your website inviting people to give their email so you can send them news about the game .

I must have subscribed in the week the website launched. Total number of emails received : nada, zip, zero. By your logic I'm bound to assume that there's no progress in the development of the game.

Oh, and you can check it : it's eddysterckx@hotmail.com

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

Here comes vilain from Usenet ahaha

 

[Ivan Bajlo]

Enjoy the smiley faces, I really like them!:smoke:

Mr. Rose before I comment on anything do you still have lots of lawyers?

P.S.
At lest there aren't any darn Jeeps in this game.

 

[NormKoger]

Question Norm, if you had incorporated this form of protection in AOR who would be 'enabling' me to play given SSI's demise?

Answer: You would. See my 17 Feb 06, 18:16 post in the "What about Activation?" thread.

 

[Lempereur1]

Ivan.....

Ivan:

I actually have four (4) sets of lawyers, depending on what I need them for!

Mr. Eddy's Father's Neigborhood, is the same diversionary attacks that were thrown our way at Talonsoft.

Funny how someone is attacking us with such intensity about something they have not even seen yet!

At the end of the day, all the kings slander and all the kings mud cant substitute or compete with a supieror product....:smoke:

Rest assured, there are those who are scared sh_tless that Norm and I are back!


PS: Heh Eddy, the Guards Horse artillery just breached your cheatu wall!

(Wait till you see it happen in the Disant Guns Engine)

 

[Ivan Bajlo]

I actually have four (4) sets of lawyers, depending on what I need them for!

Merde! :laugh:

Rest assured, there are those who are scared sh_tless that Norm and I are back!

Just keep one eye on Grouchy constantly.

PS: Heh Eddy, the Guards Horse artillery just breached your cheatu wall!

Can we at lest have some screenshots of this action? Don't keep us on the edge!

(Wait till you see it happen in the Disant Guns Engine)

I'm more interested in possible sequels but for that to happen game better be awesome - or I'll beat up Bloodstar! :laugh:

 

[NormKoger]

...you've got a nice big "news letter" link on your website inviting people to give their email so you can send them news about the game .

I must have subscribed in the week the website launched. Total number of emails received : nada, zip, zero.

Oh, and you can check it : it's eddysterckx@hotmail.com

Eddy,

I have no idea what might have happened, but the email address you listed is not in our database. I just checked. There are currently several hundred addresses on each of several lists, and several emails have gone out to list members.

I would be very interested to hear of any other folks who believe that they have signed up for info, but have not received emails. It is always possible that there is a problem with the server functions that manage the lists. Should that be the case, we may have a bone to pick with a third party software outfit.

Have other folks who've signed up been getting the emails?

 

[Kadeen]

Lets all take a deep breath!

Chetnikk, you need to relax. No one is accusing you of being a thief, or suggesting that you would steal a game that is clearly a labor of love created by one of the few true legends in the industry. No one except me that is. It is painfully obvious to me that not only are you planning on stealing this game, but I believe you have illegally copied many other games as well. It would not surprise me if this is not the chief way you sustain yourself and your undoubtedly filthy habits. I am not sure what the nature of the copy protection system will be (although Neutrino 123 suggested a very reasonable possibility which you lashed out at as I believe you do about most everything), but I for one will have no problem with it, and with supporting this superior developer. As for you Mr. Chetnikk, if that is your REAL name, why don't you crawl back into that dank subterranean chamber you call home, open a window, and LET SOME TRUTH IN!

 

[Neutrino 123]

I got two E-mails awile ago (December I think), but haven't gotten anything recent regarding the updated release date, new graphics, etc.

 

[eddysterckx]

Ivan:

I actually have four (4) sets of lawyers, depending on what I need them for!

Mr. Eddy's Father's Neigborhood, is the same diversionary attacks that were thrown our way at Talonsoft.

Funny how someone is attacking us with such intensity about something they have not even seen yet!

At the end of the day, all the kings slander and all the kings mud cant substitute or compete with a supieror product....:smoke:

Rest assured, there are those who are scared sh_tless that Norm and I are back!


PS: Heh Eddy, the Guards Horse artillery just breached your cheatu wall!

(Wait till you see it happen in the Disant Guns Engine)

Oh boy - words fail me to convey how sad all of this makes me feel.

That dust cloud on the horizon is not Grouchy, it's Blücher :horse: - and you know it.

Good luck with the game - you'll need it.

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

 

[Matto]

Eddy,

I have no idea what might have happened, but the email address you listed is not in our database. I just checked. There are currently several hundred addresses on each of several lists, and several emails have gone out to list members.

I would be very interested to hear of any other folks who believe that they have signed up for info, but have not received emails. It is always possible that there is a problem with the server functions that manage the lists. Should that be the case, we may have a bone to pick with a third party software outfit.

Have other folks who've signed up been getting the emails?

I signed sometime in December and received I think two emails (new preview and new waves) ...

 

[Bloodstar]

Merde! :laugh:



Just keep one eye on Grouchy constantly.



Can we at lest have some screenshots of this action? Don't keep us on the edge!



I'm more interested in possible sequels but for that to happen game better be awesome - or I'll beat up Bloodstar! :laugh:

You will beat your prick Bajlo... and now get lost, you have started to be again irritatting so I will start to ignore you. Mario

 

[Rhetor]

I have received the only e-mail (as I registered in late January) on February 3rd.

Eddy, if your e-mail provider has an anti-spam utlility, check it. Mine has thrown the Storm Eagle Studios mail into "possible spam" directory, and I had to manually mark it as "no spam"