The Distant Guns DRM thread of doom (do not create new DRM threads below)

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RE: The Distant Guns DRM thread of doom

Hey Coypus. Somewhere I missed it. What happened to the Blucher that it couldn't do 24knts?(no debate here). Point a thread on issue or PM me if it is repetive please.
 

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RE: The Distant Guns DRM thread of doom

So some moderator has changed the name of the thread. Well I guess this forum is about as free to express yourself as SES's will be.
What was the name of the thread, originally?
 

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RE: The Distant Guns DRM thread of doom

Stormpowered is working
Stormpower seems to work finally.
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We got issues here.

Faking history on a history forum?
 

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RE: The Distant Guns DRM thread of doom

Sadly this forum became unusable.
Only spam and trolling remains.

Redwolf, Slider6, TheWood - take care.

P.S. With your actions you make all people who dislike DRM look bad.
 
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RE: The Distant Guns DRM thread of doom

I asked Don to review whether Saddletanks actions are in line with what he envisions for a GS moderator.

We should probably make sure everything is documented including Saddletank editing other poster's messages without clear notice, threats that might have been made and whether any of the original complaints raised against SES were out of forum policy compliance in the first place.

From where I stand all that was happening before Saddletank lost it is documenting exactly what the DRM does and when specifically it did not work. An important thing because once a customer buys the game the perfectly fine working money is gone and it won't come back.
 

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Title says it all.

The neverending trolling by a few has gotten way out of hand and has really destroyed this forum.

Kudos to BH and Saddletank and others for trying to restore sanity, but Im off to greener pastures.

(Hopefully one with stricter membership protocols.)
:salute:
Cya all.
 

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I asked Don to review whether Saddletanks actions are in line with what he envisions for a GS moderator.

We should probably make sure everything is documented including Saddletank editing other poster's messages without clear notice, threats that might have been made and whether any of the original complaints raised against SES were out of forum policy compliance in the first place.

From where I stand all that was happening before Saddletank lost it is documenting exactly what the DRM does and when specifically it did not work. An important thing because once a customer buys the game the perfectly fine working money is gone and it won't come back.
err....but it works for you now, Redwolf, doesn't it? I can't recall the problem that you had, but I think it's fixed?

It's clear that your agenda is about (a) a hatred of DRM generally, and/or (b) a hatred of this particular DRM - but I can't see that you or many others are having problems now?

I don't know the mods here and I don't know what they have, or haven't done, but if it's working for you why are you still complaining?

I do know that, whereas this forum used to be one where there was a serious amount of historical debate (there were heated arguments over the ACH issues, but they didn't degenerate into name calling), now there's not. That may be because people have moved over to the SES forum, but I don't think the abuse from some of the "anti-DRM'ers" makes this a welcome place any more.

You might think I'm an SES fanboi. I don't think I am. The odd rant from Jim does not help SES in my eyes at all. However, we know your views on DRM - and spamming the forum with them at every opportunity doesn't make us warm to your view - quite the opposite - and documenting in the way you suggest?? This is a game forum! - not a wikileak!
 

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So easy to pick scapegoats isn't it. Enjoy the pie.
 

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RE: The Distant Guns DRM thread of doom

The reason this forum is in the state it is in is not because of any individual.

It is directly related to SES departing and deciding to burn it's bridges as who it saw as foes (true or fictional). I think it is important that gamesquad not censor their boards with people who have less than fiary tale stories of customer experience with SES either. I would hope this forum doesn't turn into part of the propaganda machine.

The historical and other content can be once more if we you chose to initiate it rather than participate in this subject. So if that is what you want please start such?
 

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err....but it works for you now, Redwolf, doesn't it? I can't recall the problem that you had, but I think it's fixed?

It's clear that your agenda is about (a) a hatred of DRM generally, and/or (b) a hatred of this particular DRM - but I can't see that you or many others are having problems now?

I don't know the mods here and I don't know what they have, or haven't done, but if it's working for you why are you still complaining?

I do know that, whereas this forum used to be one where there was a serious amount of historical debate (there were heated arguments over the ACH issues, but they didn't degenerate into name calling), now there's not. That may be because people have moved over to the SES forum, but I don't think the abuse from some of the "anti-DRM'ers" makes this a welcome place any more.

You might think I'm an SES fanboi. I don't think I am. The odd rant from Jim does not help SES in my eyes at all. However, we know your views on DRM - and spamming the forum with them at every opportunity doesn't make us warm to your view - quite the opposite - and documenting in the way you suggest?? This is a game forum! - not a wikileak!
I don't care about SES one way or another. All I care about is that no other company markets a game with a homegrown DRM system like this. For that, the facts need to be on the table.
 

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RE: The Distant Guns DRM thread of doom

Another thought:
I think I am on safe ground when I say that a number of people have forcibly expressed dissatisfaction on this forum at not being able to run their SES software. SES should take this as a back-handed compliment for if their products weren't so excellent, people wouldn't give a damn one way or another.
Not even a lot of 'backhanded' about it. Jutland is fabulous. Were it on sale from just about anywhere else, I'd have bought DG long ago as well.

My way round the problem is to go into Stormpower via my C drive (C/Storm Eagle Studios). If the program has been updated, the bottom logo in the file will be labelled 'update'. Double-click on it, the program will update and will then run successfully.
As a matter of interest , did StormPowered install by default to your C: drive or did you have to select it from a default offer of the D: drive?
 

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Not even a lot of 'backhanded' about it. Jutland is fabulous. Were it on sale from just about anywhere else, I'd have bought DG long ago as well.



As a matter of interest , did StormPowered install by default to your C: drive or did you have to select it from a default offer of the D: drive?
For the record, Stormpowered installed straight onto my C: drive.

Pongo
 

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RE: The Distant Guns DRM thread of doom

The reason this forum is in the state it is in is not because of any individual.

It is directly related to SES departing and deciding to burn it's bridges as who it saw as foes (true or fictional). I think it is important that gamesquad not censor their boards with people who have less than fiary tale stories of customer experience with SES either. I would hope this forum doesn't turn into part of the propaganda machine.

The historical and other content can be once more if we you chose to initiate it rather than participate in this subject. So if that is what you want please start such?
One needs to ask WHY did SES set up their own forum?

I'll tell you.

It's because of months and years of being attacked and insulted by a few members of this forum, some of whom stay around for month after month raising the same subjects.

Let me also advise that I have been a moderator here quite some while and have in fact sided with the forum members for years. People are within their rights to complain in public. I have in my PM in-box a number of notes from Bullethead and Jim Rose asking me to ban users or take action against users and in my outbox are a number of replies saying I cannot because the users are not breaking any rules.

And this is the crux. Apart from being rude in a number of places, and disingeniously using misleading thread titles, most users who bash the DRM and SES are not, in fact, breaking any forum rules.

They are however, breaking the forum. The recent surge of negative postings, mostly centred in the two long threads I locked yesterday have brought a negative, disruptive, argumentative and downright unpleasant atmosphere to this forum. This activity is destroying the forum. This activity has been very significant in prompting SES to set up their own forums.

The forum didn't go down the pan because SES left. SES left because the forum went down the pan. Its a very important distinction. Even Don Maddox has PMs in his in-box from Jim Rose complaining about the attitude of some users here.

I am here to attempt to moderate this forum and keep it running. SES have left the building and so have a number of other prominent members. Others remain however and on the basis of the excellent historical and technical articles we have had posted here in the past I am now going to attempt my best to restore this forum to what it should be.

There are only about 4 disruptive users here at present and I am stating now that while you are welcome to remain and post positive, non-insulting, non-misleading posts, your constant harping on about one or two subjects - delivered in an aggressive way - is no longer welcome. It's not specifically against the site rules and I am the first person to acknowledge that, I knew when I took action yesterday that the site rules did not specifically allow me to do what I did. However in the interests of keeping this forum from degenerating into a ghost town, empty of all but ranters ranting at other ranters I am taking action.

If you do not agree with my actions, the PM button to the site owner, Don Maddox, is there on your screen. Do please use it. If you agree with my actions here, please use it to tell Don that as well. Messages of support are welcome along with the messages disagreeing with my aactions. Furthermore there is a button to report any post. Please use that button if you think a poster is out of order for any reason.

This issue needed to come out in the open and be resolved. Either the lunatics take over the asylum and I quit as well, or I will restore sense to this forum. That is the choice.
 

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You guys just cannot stop can you? You just can't. Even when it is patently obvious that YOU are the ones destroying this forum.

I have made it clear why I am taking action on this forum.

Play nicely or you won't be allowed to play at all.

For those interested the thread title was originally that given in Slider6's first post above. I edited the title because it was misleading to all forum users and did not reflect the thread's contents. Moreover I knew it had been mistitled deliberately in order to simply be disruptive. I sent a PM to thewood stating exactly this.

I am now going to lock this thread as well as it is descending into more arguing.

You guys NEED to understand that I'm not going to tolerate you destroying this forum any more than you have done. While I'm here (which may not be much longer anyway) I'm going to continue to defend this forum from further negative and offensive attitudes.

THREAD LOCKED.

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Gah. Sorry to see you go CJ.

Please keep informing us of your amazing USS Texas pictures and stories in your new home. I envy the privelige you have looking after her.
 

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Discussions on Blucher's speed are more than welcome.
 

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Sense all my discussion is edited. All my post are deleted and all that remains is the long diatribes of Saddletank here campaigning in a Salem witch hunt and slandering everything he can with his quite frankly "SES groupy" viewpoint, it is hardly a contest.

Saddletank you are just so completely biased that you should not be here moderating this forum. You may be a nice guy, but your judgement and credibility is completely non existant. The censorship beyond forum rules appears to be condoned by game squad by lack of action.

SES has to be able to handle a few people with agenda. They need to grow up and not run away and hide and create their own cult compound complete with groupie officers and enforcers. They can live with critic. They have the best product on the market. What a few individuals say is not this big a deal especially if it is not true. If it is then guess what, it causes a few more problems that "maybe" should be fixed. Due to saddletanks complete bias he cannot comprehend that SES has broken this forum and not the few individual that "may be" saying something that is actually true.

The fact that I've been labeled a trouble maker, troll, and been blaimed for the demise of this forum simply because I've been outspoken of the bias, lies, and unrelenting when I myself was personnally attacked on my views (I counter attacked and would again) is really a testimony to what is going on here.

So what this boils down to is a grade school excersise of freedom of expression....at least it was for me 40 years ago. They don't apparently teach the same things anymore in american schools.

The perception that especially I've been hounding SES for years is a complete farce and fiction and another lie. I am in fact a long term SES customer since at least 2008 who has owns 4 SES products who has been saying positive things and promoting SES. I've unfortunetly sent many people to their doom here it appears. (I'm sorry, I thought SES was a small company different than say EA)

I've become recently disgruntled due to the release and handling of stormpower. I found the process and board response completely void of ethics on SES part and Saddletank has been a part of their bidding all along. I've found that anything of critic about SES or its method of controlling its customers is not tolerated.

I suggest people think about this and how they will be treated when SES sell the rights to their game, before the stoning.

Besides a strong customer service orientation, trying for atonement for those I sent here and had buy SES products, I didn't really have an agenda other than make people think and be aware. I did stir the pot and seemed to have found all the SES cronies embeded.

Anyway it is easy to remove the "red herring" and excuses to "hate" and "blaim" someone else rather than address the issue. I agree to voluntarily leave to allievate this silly lie and farce. I'm just to old for the antics and agree the distraction of the issue of censorship has divided a comunity that should be focused on world war 1 naval combat.
 
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Sense all my discussion is edited. All my post are deleted.
Everyone knows that not ALL your posts are edited (I don't recall editing any) and not ALL your posts are deleted (I have removed only one). You are clearly talking nonesense and I'm tired with presenting the facts to you because you've chosen not to face them.

The censorship beyond forum rules appears to be condoned by game squad by lack of action.
I don't accept the word 'censorship'. I prefer 'trying to restore this once fine forum to what it was before it descended into chaos'.

I'm sure Don and the mods team are on the case. Whatever they decide is up to them. I've informed them what is going on here and if I get sent packing well, quite frankly my dear, I couldn't give a....

SES has to be able to handle a few people with agenda. They need to grow up and not run away and hide and create their own cult compound complete with groupie officers and enforcers. They can live with critic. They have the best product on the market. What a few individuals say is not this big a deal especially if it is not true.
Gawd I don't beleive this. What on earth are you saying now?

If it's not true then why in living heck are people saying it? Criticism is fair and fine. I've been a strong critic of many games and I've been firm in my points over the years. But you make your point once and move on. Eight pages of slagging people off on the same subject is not fair and reasonable and forum members do not want to read it. That's obvious by the fact they are leaving in droves now that there is an alternative site to discuss SES games.

Sure SES can take some criticism but the same sequence of events that has drawn me out to try and put a stop to this idiocy is the same reason SES quit this forum: because the noise to signal ratio was getting too high. Once that happens its natural to cut your losses and run. SES pride themselves on customer support and service. I support them because they are the best, second to none, of any games developer at dealing with and fixing customer complaints.

A few days ago when a series of patches were released for Stormpowered and Jutland people moaned. People moaned when Stormpowered didn't work for them, yet SES did the best they could and issued patches - and people STILL moaned. "Oh, they're patchingi it! It was broken!" See? With attitudes like that why should any software developer put up with it and stick around here?

Its the whiners and moaners who drove them away.

I've been labeled a trouble maker, troll, and been blaimed for the demise of this forum simply because I've been outspoken of the bias, lies, and unrelenting when I myself was personnally attacked on my views (I counter attacked and would again) is really a testimony to what is going on here.
Oh. It wasn't you then? My mistake.

This is the problem. The blame culture in today's society is sickening. "It wasn't me" "He did it" "It was someone else's fault" "I'm not the one who totally screwed this forum over."

People need to grow up and take responsibility for their actions. I am not afraid to and if it means my moderating is not acceptable to the site owner then I'll go, but I'll have done what I think was my honest level best to save this ship before it finally sank.

So what this boils down to is a grade school excersise of freedom of expression.
I was wondering when the 'freedom of speech' card would get played. You kept me waiting a while. There is no 'freedom of speech' on most of the internet because almost every forum is sitting on a server than is paid for by someone. Ergo, you are here on someone's private property and if they don't like what you do or say they can throw you out.

There is almost no freedom of speech on the internet. You need to understand that fact. Freedom of speech is what you get on street corners in public places. You can stand up there on a box and say what you like as long as it's not illegal, or racially or religiously hateful. Welcome to the internet, a place that is not a public street corner.

You have read the forum rules over at SES' new forum haven't you? See? Private ownership, just like here.

The perception that especially I've been hounding SES for years is a complete farce and fiction and another lie.
Where did I say that? I have not named any names. I have said that "some people" have been on this forum a long time attacking SES. In the years past I sided with them. Wanna see my inbox? I managed to annoy Jim Rose plenty of times by refusing to ban members who were attacking his products.

Anyway. Enough. I'll let the site owner decide whether he wants me to stay here and fix the mess others have created or if he wants his forum to go down the tubes. Its not up to me at all, but him.

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Anyway. Enough. I'll let the site owner decide whether he wants me to stay here and fix the mess others have created or if he wants his forum to go down the tubes. Its not up to me at all, but him.
Not a chance in hell. Closing threads is one thing but you even edited other people's posts without explicit notice.

The only thing that could possibly have saved your ass is that there is nobody else who would volunteer to get between Mr. Rose and the thinking part of this forum as a moderator. If you pledged to not do it again maybe Don would have given you a chance. But you already said that's not gonna happen either.
 
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