Slaughter at Ponyri Discussions

[Hutch]

82nd Anniversary of the Battle of Ponyri, 4 Month Anniversary of Slaughter at Ponyri.

 

[PresterJohn]

Interesting thoughts cross my mind. I'm happy to have the game module in my grasping hands, and don't mind informally marking it's "anniversary". I like it.

But as far as the actual battle between Nazi Germany and the USSR goes, I'm happy to say it's a date on the calendar and a mark on the map that inflicted significant harm on both, and may they enjoy each others company in hell. That's my toast.

 

[Vic Provost]

Interesting thoughts cross my mind. I'm happy to have the game module in my grasping hands, and don't mind informally marking it's "anniversary". I like it.

But as far as the actual battle between Nazi Germany and the USSR goes, I'm happy to say it's a date on the calendar and a mark on the map that inflicted significant harm on both, and may they enjoy each others company in hell. That's my toast.

Spot On, you may 'root' for the Russians to defeat the Nazis for the Allies' cause but they are really no better, as they continue to prove in 2025. There has never been a good time to be a Russian citizen, the worst country on earth and it is not even close for me.

 

[pensatl1962]

Spot On, you may 'root' for the Russians to defeat the Nazis for the Allies' cause but they are really no better, as they continue to prove in 2025. There has never been a good time to be a Russian citizen, the worst country on earth and it is not even close for me.

In “Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin”, Timothy Snyder makes the case that Eastern Europe was a bad place to be from 1920 through the end of WWII. They got horrible treatment from both sides.

 

[von Marwitz]

In “Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin”, Timothy Snyder makes the case that Eastern Europe was a bad place to be from 1920 through the end of WWII. They got horrible treatment from both sides.

I have read that book and can recommend it. Furthermore I can recommend its author, who has written other commendable books as well.

One of the areas most afflicted was the Ukraine. In the civil wars after WW2, due to the Holodomor. And, in fact, Ukraine is once more going through hard times having been invaded by Russia.

von Marwitz

 

[FrankH.]

Spot On, you may 'root' for the Russians to defeat the Nazis for the Allies' cause but they are really no better, as they continue to prove in 2025. There has never been a good time to be a Russian citizen, the worst country on earth and it is not even close for me.

This is pretty much ahistorical. Were there no Soviet Union, or if Stalin decided not to fight, most people in Europe (except for a few Italians), including the British (a Germanic language in any case) and a good number in the Middle East and South America would be speaking German right now (not that the language is a bad thing, but I think you get my point). Think of what might have been in Dec. 1941 (compared to the situation at the end of WWI) with all of France, plus Finland and Norway, and most of the Russian Empire defeated and occupied. Probably Egypt also. Britain encircled (starving) by German airplanes, U Boats, and Surface Ships.

Or something like that.

 

[FrankH.]

In “Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin”, Timothy Snyder makes the case that Eastern Europe was a bad place to be from 1920 through the end of WWII. They got horrible treatment from both sides.

A very easy case to make. It started far earlier, around the middle of the nineteenth century. This wide region consisted of longstanding national and ethnic independence movements (militarily often consisting of little more than bandit groups) awaiting the demise of the ailing (i.e., doomed) German, Russian, Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman Empires (all of which was accelerated by the World War). Except that, save for social disputes, the German Empire was not ailing or doomed until that war started.

 

[pensatl1962]

I have read that book and can recommend it. Furthermore I can recommend its author, who has written other commendable books as well.

One of the areas most afflicted was the Ukraine. In the civil wars after WW2, due to the Holodomor. And, in fact, Ukraine is once more going through hard times having been invaded by Russia.

von Marwitz

A difficult read, for sure — in the sense that human beings’ capacity to do unspeakable things to other humans is amazing and depressing.

 

[cvetzor]

Scenario question. Will be setting up SaP12. Is the Train OBA (Sap 10 ssr) available to the Russian player? Or is the Train OBA only available if written as a SSR on the scenario sheet. Is there one or two snipers per side( big playing area)

 

[laullroy]

Quick question here. I received my copy from a local retailer (Spain) today, and the scenario card containing scenario 11 and the German oob for scenario 12 is missing (checked three times, just in case). Who should I contact with? My local retailer or MMP directly?

 

[Hutch]

MMP

 

[STAVKA]

Scenario question. Will be setting up SaP12. Is the Train OBA (Sap 10 ssr) available to the Russian player? Or is the Train OBA only available if written as a SSR on the scenario sheet. Is there one or two snipers per side( big playing area)

Not available, unless mentioned as an SSR, only available for scenario SaP4 FOR THE MOTHERLAND

 

[wrongway149]

Scenario question. Will be setting up SaP12. Is the Train OBA (Sap 10 ssr) available to the Russian player? Or is the Train OBA only available if written as a SSR on the scenario sheet. Is there one or two snipers per side( big playing area)

Only via SSR

 

[JRKrejsa]

A VC question;
In Pomeranian Fury, can the Germans get points for no good order Russian units in the victory buildings AND control of the SAME building? Thus reducing the number of buildings the Germans have to take?

 

[klasmalmstrom]

A VC question;
In Pomeranian Fury, can the Germans get points for no good order Russian units in the victory buildings AND control of the SAME building? Thus reducing the number of buildings the Germans have to take?

Yes they can....

SaP 2 POMERANIAN FURY VC Question

Hi gents, The SaP2 "VICTORY CONDITIONS read: The Germans win at game end by amassing > 5 VP. Building AA29 is worth 2 VP and buildings U34, U37, and U40 are worth I VP each if German-Controlled. Each of these four buildings is also worth I VP if unoccupied by any Good Order Russian unit." Are...

www.gamesquad.com

 

[wrongway149]

A VC question;
In Pomeranian Fury, can the Germans get points for no good order Russian units in the victory buildings AND control of the SAME building? Thus reducing the number of buildings the Germans have to take?

yes. All VP are cumulative

 

[JRKrejsa]

yes. All VP are cumulative

Which means I lost. But, now I know!

 

[wrongway149]

Which means I lost. But, now I know!

Was it fun?

 

[JRKrejsa]

Was it fun?

Yes. Both sides had runs of success, and my SU-122s had the best performance I’ve ever seen. But, I lost the 2 VP building in the last turn. The Germans had already taken the north most? of the row of VP buildings, but were stopped cold for several turns after that. Good scenario!

 

[Actionjick]

Was it fun?

The most important question!