MMP Roundtable 7 notes - February 2025

[indy_lagu]

Probably a reincarnation of the old SL thing where you had a personal leader counter and he began as a 6+1/7-0 and is awarded "promotion points" based on what he does during the scenario. -- jim

The Leader Campaign. There was an article porting this to ASL in an Annual. 95 maybe?

indy

 

[pensatl1962]

Yes, if you listen to the stream many of the "2026" responses were to a litany of questions about products he hadn't previously mentioned that were popping up in the chat one right after another. I think in those cases "2026" really meant "not in 2025" or "later, after all the things I already talked about at the start of the stream".

Earlier in the stream, when he was working more from notes it appeared, he gave some more specific answers of "2026" and in those cases probably the intent really was to mean "2026". Of course, he's always quite clear he doesn't mean to be held to any of those dates, so those could of course change as priorities or external factors dictate. Point being, I suspect if he talked about a product before the Q&A session then those were the prioritized products that are at least part of a loose schedule and so "2026" might be meaningful. Once people started throwing out questions I'm not sure "2026" was really intended as a carefully considered date.

I'd be fine with the products being metered out just a bit. Don't want to drink from the firehouse, so to speak.

 

[DVexile]

I'd be fine with the products being metered out just a bit. Don't want to drink from the firehouse, so to speak.

That is probably a widely shared view and likely the sensible business approach for MMP.

But the product I want needs to come out first and the rest of you need to learn to be patient.

 

[Hutch]

The Leader Campaign. There was an article porting this to ASL in an Annual. 95 maybe?

indy

95W Warriors All!

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Campaign Game Leaders for ASL

David Payne

 

[Houlie]

There must be a lot of committed playtesters to playtest all of this!

 

[footsteps]

I am psyched about Star Leader. Curt shared a couple preview pics on his Discord server.

 

[pensatl1962]

I watched the link to the Livestream. It's worth the time, IMO. And not just from the standpoint of hearing what products are in the pipeline; I found it enlightening to hear about the business considerations and constraints that MMP faces in producing ASL product. My takeaway: even though there are many good suggestions submitted to MMP, many are not feasible from a business standpoint or even possible for them due to restrictions from their licensing agreement.

 

[Peter J]

So Journal 16 will include some pages of rules 'tweaks'! Curt mentioned Steve Pleva and Mike McGrath have put some proposed changes together. Foxholes got a mention!! Timing of repair dr got a mention!! Any information on what else might move from 'heretical' to 'official' or 'official/optional'?

 

[Smedley]

While I appreciate Curt's time and effort put into these monthly updates, I think they are un-needed. I long for the old days when MMP's plans were as opaque as 6 hinderances! Concealment and HIP ruled the day! When something was put on pre-order it was a big deal. Surprised by the announcement, we rushed to pre-order what ever came out.



Rob

 

[Sparafucil3]

So Journal 16 will include some pages of rules 'tweaks'! Curt mentioned Steve Pleva and Mike McGrath have put some proposed changes together. Foxholes got a mention!! Timing of repair dr got a mention!! Any information on what else might move from 'heretical' to 'official' or 'official/optional'?

I don't know if they are rules tweaks or things you might consider in your own games. I hope they remain "optional" although there are a couple which I think should be made flat out fixes in the game. At least one is on the right path, I just think there is a much better way. Most feel like so-called "grudge rules" to me. YMMV. -- jim

 

[Hutch]

While I appreciate Curt's time and effort put into these monthly updates, I think they are un-needed. I long for the old days when MMP's plans were as opaque as 6 hinderances! Concealment and HIP ruled the day! When something was put on pre-order it was a big deal. Surprised by the announcement, we rushed to pre-order what ever came out.



Rob

Ah the old days: I remember walking into Dream Wizards in Rockville, MD 1988 and finding West of Alamein. I had been reading about it's upcoming release in The General, but surprised and overjoyed to see it on the shelf. "The British had Come! The British had Come!"

 

[DVexile]

I don't know if they are rules tweaks or things you might consider in your own games. I hope they remain "optional" although there are a couple which I think should be made flat out fixes in the game. At least one is on the right path, I just think there is a much better way. Most feel like so-called "grudge rules" to me. YMMV. -- jim

Curt said they were in three categories:

• Completely re-done and fixed rules (example he gave was Foxholes)
• Optional rules (examples were Pleva's OBA or third die ROF)
• Rules MMP doesn't think need attention, but you can play

No further distinction was given between the last two, optional and extra-optional I guess?

But it sounded like the first category were meant to be official rule changes.

Discussion starts at about 1:04:00 in the stream.

 

[Mister T]

Curt said they were in three categories:

• Completely re-done and fixed rules (example he gave was Foxholes)
• Optional rules (examples were Pleva's OBA or third die ROF)
• Rules MMP doesn't think need attention, but you can play

Looking forward to the release of category 1 fixes. Category 2 rules may be used by scenario designers on a case-by-case basis.

 

[klasmalmstrom]

Completely re-done and fixed rules (example he gave was Foxholes)

Of course what needs a "fix" is highly subjective....

...and I sure hope there won't be any "Completely re-done"...

 

[Sparafucil3]

Curt said they were in three categories:

• Completely re-done and fixed rules (example he gave was Foxholes)
• Optional rules (examples were Pleva's OBA or third die ROF)
• Rules MMP doesn't think need attention, but you can play

No further distinction was given between the last two, optional and extra-optional I guess?

For various values of those categories. I think there will still be some internal discussion. I don't know as I am not part of the internals. I know there isn't broad agreement on which items fit into which categories even among the participants. Some wanted all of them. Some wanted some of them. I wanted nearly none of them so take my input with a grain of salt. There are some definite fixes in the list. There are some definite good starts that need to be further worked out (IMO).

I have written extensively on OBA (see my article in J14). I have also examined 3rd die ROF (see my blog). I have thoughts on the others which I may share should the list be made public. -- jim

 

[Chas]

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...and I sure hope there won't be any "Completely re-done"...
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Chapter E????

 

[synicbast]

Chapter F? Please make horses generate dust when moving especially at the gallop or charge, hell even if they move faster than walking pace (4MF) and fix sangars because they should be able to be setup on paved roads, as they are constructed on top of the surface not beneath.

 

[Sparafucil3]

Chapter E????

I know Shelling was working on something along these lines but I think that project may either be slowing or dead. I am not honestly sure but I haven't heard anything about it in a long while. -- jim

 

[Peter J]

For various values of those categories. I think there will still be some internal discussion. I don't know as I am not part of the internals. I know there isn't broad agreement on which items fit into which categories even among the participants. Some wanted all of them. Some wanted some of them. I wanted nearly none of them so take my input with a grain of salt. There are some definite fixes in the list. There are some definite good starts that need to be further worked out (IMO).

I have written extensively on OBA (see my article in J14). I have also examined 3rd die ROF (see my blog). I have thoughts on the others which I may share should the list be made public. -- jim

Thanks Jim. You get my vote for being included in the 'brains trust'! Along with a couple of others: eg Klas, Scott R

 

[Sparafucil3]

Thanks Jim. You get my vote for being included in the 'brains trust'! Along with a couple of others: eg Klas, Scott R

I wish I were sometimes, but I really have no clue what's going on inside. I have zero contact with anyone, no more input than any other ASL'er, and certainly no more clout than any other ASL'er. I was part of the discussion group on these (called variously SSR, fixes, optional rules, and a couple of others). That was by virtue of knowing the people involved and being asked to participate (I am sure to the regret of some as I don't believe in most of them outside of being optional rules).

I am not now, nor likely to ever be, in the "brain trust". That's OK with me. Someone needs to be on the outside so all the inside can feel superior (and in most cases actually BE superior). -- jim