Dain Bramage here again

[BHBillett]

I fear I can not remember nor can I find how many PP a squad/crew is?
I did find that 5 smc's equal 1 PP.
4 or less equal 0 PP?
So this begs the questions.

1. If a wounded leader is 0 PP can a squad carrying 4PP simply pickup a wounded leader and carry him with no loss of movement?
2. As the wounded leader is in fact stacked with the squad while being carried, does the squad get the MF bonus for being stacked with the leader?
3. Could a squad carrying 4 wounded leaders still carry any PP with no loss of movement?

Something ain't right here?

Thank you

 

[zgrose]

A17.2 "... A Good Order wounded man who is not portaging a SW may be carried by any Good Order MMC at a cost of five PP. A wounded leader’s two MF bonus for accompaniment throughout the MPh still applies."

1- A wounded leader isn't 0 PP
2- Yes
3- See 1

 

[EagleIV]

See A17.2 where it says a wound leader can be portaged by an MMC at a cost of 5 PP (not 0 PP).

 

[BHBillett]

See A17.2 where it says a wound leader can be portaged by an MMC at a cost of 5 PP (not 0 PP).

Caught that from the above post.
Thanks all of you.
Just seems odd that 5 SMC's make up 1 PP in a vehicle yet 1 wounded SMC is 5?
In a way I can see it, but...?
So is a wounded SMC 0 or 5 PP for a vehicle?
Also, This one is really silly but, A wounded leader being carried by a squad gets the leader movement bonus, So they have 6. 5PP makes it 5, Could yet another leader bring it back to 6 as it can carry 1 PP himself? The reality argument would make it "Yea, lets rip off his legs and you can carry those, then he's back to 4 PP". But the rules would say?

 

[EagleIV]

In a vehicle the 1-4 SMC is how much space they take up while for carrying an SMC it is how difficult it is to carry someone being careful not to injure them more. And yes an unwounded leader can help carry a wounded leader.

 

[clubby]

Caught that from the above post.
Thanks all of you.
Just seems odd that 5 SMC's make up 1 PP in a vehicle yet 1 wounded SMC is 5?
In a way I can see it, but...?
So is a wounded SMC 0 or 5 PP for a vehicle?
Also, This one is really silly but, A wounded leader being carried by a squad gets the leader movement bonus, So they have 6. 5PP makes it 5, Could yet another leader bring it back to 6 as it can carry 1 PP himself? The reality argument would make it "Yea, lets rip off his legs and you can carry those, then he's back to 4 PP". But the rules would say?

Have you ever carried a wounded man in combat? I have. It's not one guy carrying him typically like in the movies. It's usually 2-3 guys taking turns carrying him on some makeshift stretcher. Not only does it take more than one person typically, but it takes away from your overall ability to carry other items or maintain normal operations when half your teams is moving a wounded Marine.

 

[BHBillett]

No I haven't, never even seen combat from a distance. TRUELY hope to keep it that way! The universe was VERY nice to me. Outside of my choice to join the Chair Force. I couldn't leave the Continent because of my field. Had I made Chief, I could have gone to Greenland, But that was it. Seems they were no concerned with someone chucking nukes at Nam or what have you, so I wasn't allowed to play.
The one man carry over the shoulder sort of thing, YES! Now the NEXT 20 feet? Oh yea, How big is this hex? So I can see the 5PP. Add and extra SMC? Can't see that much slack being taken up. Perhaps? But shy of cutting off his legs and letting the extra man take them, I just can't see it.
Yet again, the question remains in game terms, what do the rules say? and where? I did see in one of the posts the 5pp for an MMC. But nothing on the vehicle?
As a wounded man may very well take up a LOT more room than a non-wounded man.

 

[Actionjick]

Have you ever carried a wounded man in combat? I have. It's not one guy carrying him typically like in the movies. It's usually 2-3 guys taking turns carrying him on some makeshift stretcher. Not only does it take more than one person typically, but it takes away from your overall ability to carry other items or maintain normal operations when half your teams is moving a wounded Marine.

Thanks for your service and especially for helping a wounded comrade.

 

[clubby]

Thanks for your service and especially for helping a wounded comrade.

Uncle Sam thanked me twice a month.

 

[BHBillett]

Uncle Sam thanked me twice a month.

Perhaps, but for what you were thrown into a few more thanks are in order!!

 

[Zajuts149]

Caught that from the above post.
Thanks all of you.
Just seems odd that 5 SMC's make up 1 PP in a vehicle yet 1 wounded SMC is 5?
In a way I can see it, but...?
So is a wounded SMC 0 or 5 PP for a vehicle?
Also, This one is really silly but, A wounded leader being carried by a squad gets the leader movement bonus, So they have 6. 5PP makes it 5, Could yet another leader bring it back to 6 as it can carry 1 PP himself? The reality argument would make it "Yea, lets rip off his legs and you can carry those, then he's back to 4 PP". But the rules would say?

5 SMCs are 5pp in a vehicle, not 1pp.
In a location, SMCs do not count against the stacking limit of 30pp for overstacking, until there are 5 SMCs, which counts as 5pp against the stacking limit. 4 or less SMCs do not count against the 30pp stacking limit, so overstacking penalties do not apply.

 

[clubby]

A5.5 5 SMC is equivalent to one HS.

 

[BHBillett]

Thank you!! Explains a lot!

Next question:
Bridge control. A unit is in a gully under the bridge an enemy unit is on top of the bridge (broken squad, loaded 1/2 track with a leader and 2 1/2 squads. Scenario ends, Who "controls" the bridge?
Since we can't CC it out as we are in different locations? VC is control of the bridge. Assuming the unit under the bridge controls it, does the units on top need to escape? Assuming the units ON the bridge control the hex, Do the unit under the bridge need to escape?
Or perhaps everyone simply shrugs it off and says "that was interesting?"

 

[EagleIV]

The answer is the same as for a multi-location building, whoever was there last without the other side present.

 

[BHBillett]

The answer is the same as for a multi-location building, whoever was there last without the other side present.

Thank you,