Concealed Unit Ambushes a Broken Unit Out of LOS of Any GO Unit

[Larry]

A concealed unit enters the location of a broken unit. The concealed unit (stealthy and concealed) ambushes the broken unit. The concealed unit casualty reduces the broken unit (1:1, red numbers, IJA, ambush, broken) by rolling 11. Can the concealed unit withdraw, lose concealment, earn a melee counter?

 

[Zajuts149]

You forgot to add the extra -2 DRM vs. Withdrawing Unit, which the broken squad is required to do. The DR of 11 eliminates the squad.

Even if it was just a CR, the remaining HS would have to withdraw, so there would never be a melee unless there are other unbroken units there.

Also, since there are no other infantry of the other side, you can do Ambush Withdrawal into any accessible(and unoccupied by enemy units) Location after the attack, so no Melee occurs.

 

[Sparafucil3]

You forgot to add the extra -2 DRM vs. Withdrawing Unit, which the broken squad is required to do. The DR of 11 eliminates the squad.

This only applies to melee, not CC.

 

[Sparafucil3]

A concealed unit enters the location of a broken unit. The concealed unit (stealthy and concealed) ambushes the broken unit. The concealed unit casualty reduces the broken unit (1:1, red numbers, IJA, ambush, broken) by rolling 11. Can the concealed unit withdraw, lose concealment, earn a melee counter?

Since it did not eliminate its opponent in CC, it would usually lose Concealment and be attacked back, then it could Withdraw. Since the unit being attacked isn't Good Order, it wouldn't strip Concealment. If other units have LOS, I believe it would still lose Concealment. Regardless of Concealment loss, it would then be allowed to Withdraw to an accessible Location. If it wishes, the unit could opt not to Withdraw and instead place a Melee counter. The broken unit would then have to Withdraw from Melee in the next CC phase and give up a -4 DRM. That's no way to go through life though

 

[Houlie]

Too, if the attacking unit decides to retained concealment and wished to stay in the hex, I would submit that a CC marker applies. Thus, the broken unit could rout normally since it was attacked (and thusly DMed if not already under DM) as long as said concealed unit remains concealed, and if a rout option exists.

 

[Sparafucil3]

Too, if the attacking unit decides to retained concealment and wished to stay in the hex, I would submit that a CC marker applies. Thus, the broken unit could rout normally since it was attacked (and thusly DMed if not already under DM) as long as said concealed unit remains concealed, and if a rout option exists.

CC is after Rout. If you mean in the next turn, I am not sure the CC counter or the DM counter would remain. I would have to look.

 

[Houlie]

CC is after Rout. If you mean in the next turn, I am not sure the CC counter or the DM counter would remain. I would have to look.

Yes, I was referring to next turn. The broken unit, if thusly DMed, it would incur the +4 DRM on any potential self-rally attempt in the upcoming Rally Phase, until the DM is removed moments later in the same Rally Phase. Of course, assuming no other condition would keep it under DM.