von Marwitz
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This is my assumption. Stalingrad just didn't look very green after prolonged fighting in industrial areas that had not had that much green to begin with.
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If the main city level were at Ground Level (level 0), the banks would be at level -1. Then the banks would be at the same level as the river (level -1). In the MMP's Stalingrad maps the main city level is at level 1, the banks at level 0 and the river at level -1. The banks are not at the same level as the river. So, there is a difference between both options. Or do I miss something?
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I know nothing about the location, but liquid storage tanks sometimes have a berm around them to catch spills. The photo might be showing something like that, rather than the raised plateau that you are simulating with slopes. The photo might also be showing something like a shallow gully/ditch surrounding the storage tanks.
Mike's long experience with the Canadian railway system gives me reason to support his assumption. However, where do I find "berm" rules in the ASLRB?
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It was a thought, rather than an assumption; something to perhaps confirm or disprove.Mike's long experience with the Canadian railway system gives me reason to support his assumption. However, where do I find "berm" rules in the ASLRB?
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Those are my thoughts too. I'm suggesting Slopes as a DFE (design for effect) of how the berms affect movement/LOS.
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If Michael's thought is correct, perhaps use the Deir rules?
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Going off this, https://i-enlisted.cdn.gaijin.net/original/3X/5/f/5ff02cc6461d9049a65bd11b8aae478c6396f9c7.png which gives a different light angle, it looks to me like the 'border' is indicative of a smoothed/leveled platform. So I'm like the slope idea, so far.
von Marwitz
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Exactly my thinking.
If you want to use slopes, I'd rather have them point inwards. Or use the Deir proposal. Inventing something like EmRR without Railroad would overly complicate things.
Or what about treating the whole area as a Dry Rice Paddy?
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That's the best quality version of that photo that I've seen yet. Thanks!
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Well it is probably a berm or ditch to catch spills. I don't think the slopes work. Deir, gully, or Wadi ? Depending on whether it is in a shallow depression, or a ditch.
Or maybe rice paddy banks to represent a berm?
I think some portions look like ditch in a berm.
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Or maybe rice paddy banks to represent a berm?
I think some portions look like ditch in a berm.
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there should be a /2 level wall around each tank , or at the least the whole complex. Each tank should be down slope from each hexside of the hex it sits in. This would best mirror what I experienced when working at Newark Airport and I had to do maintenance on the fuel tanks.
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Don’t disagree that there might be a wall or a ditch, but based on the 2nd image, the key is the big white area closer to the river is clearly an elevated platform. Just look at the shadows.
In just the same way that a garden in front of a building is described as OG in most maps, best not to dwell on the minutiae and focus on the bits that make the terrain ASL tactically significant.
e.g. just make the border a Trench if you think people would use it as such, otherwise just ignore mild undulating terrain in the way the base system ignores it as well.
In just the same way that a garden in front of a building is described as OG in most maps, best not to dwell on the minutiae and focus on the bits that make the terrain ASL tactically significant.
e.g. just make the border a Trench if you think people would use it as such, otherwise just ignore mild undulating terrain in the way the base system ignores it as well.
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I use HexDraw a lot and created many historical maps (i.e. Nijmegen Bridge), I suggest: The first priority is to make HASL maps that are fun to play. Do not care about the real terrain so much. You will not be able to depict the actual terrain anyway.
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I agree with you, and apply that thinking to my designs. But this little patch of ground is interesting enough to see if there's a (rules light) way to mimic it.