Area TGT type Vs concealed unit.

[BHBillett]

Does firing area fire on a unit also get the +2 for concealment on the to hit roll?

 

[Bjoernar]

Yes, but note the firing of SMOKE

6.2 CASE K; CONCEALED TARGET: Ordnance firing at a hidden/
concealed target [EXC: pillbox/cave occupant; B30.7 and G11.812] must
add the +2 DRM of Case K to its TH DR vs that target [EXC: when firing
SMOKE, Case K applies only if the target hex contains ≥ one non-hidden
enemy ground unit but none of those units are Known to the firer/Spotter].
The effect of a hit that used Case K is not halved as Area Fire.

 

[Michael R]

Yes. You can see this by looking at the TH chart. A cross marks the cases that do NOT apply to the Area Target Type.

 

[BHBillett]

Thanks guys!

 

[BHBillett]

Follow on.
Area fire Vs. concealed unit. Case K modifier. Target is in a wood building. No TEM for the building on the to hit as it is area fire?

 

[Michael R]

Cripes you must have a TH chart handy. It is right on there.

 

[Paul John]

No TEM for the building on the to hit as it is area fire?

Correct

 

[thedrake]

Am having trouble understanding how a non-hidden unit can make Case K apply.
How can a unit be non-hidden but not Known to a firer/Spotter?
Can someone please explain that to me? Am not understanding.

Thanks,
Mark
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Yes, but note the firing of SMOKE

6.2 CASE K; CONCEALED TARGET: Ordnance firing at a hidden/
concealed target [EXC: pillbox/cave occupant; B30.7 and G11.812] must
add the +2 DRM of Case K to its TH DR vs that target [EXC: when firing
SMOKE, Case K applies only if the target hex contains ≥ one non-hidden
enemy ground unit but none of those units are Known to the firer/Spotter].
The effect of a hit that used Case K is not halved as Area Fire.

 

[wlee123]

I’ll take a stab at it Mark. Say you are shooting at a concealed unit that is in a foxhole behind a wall at your same level. The unit is out of LOS and therefore is unknown to you. In that case case K would apply even though there is a non-hidden unit in the hex.

Please feel free to provide comments, corrections as required. Cheers!

 

[Sparafucil3]

Am having trouble understanding how a non-hidden unit can make Case K apply.
How can a unit be non-hidden but not Known to a firer/Spotter?
Can someone please explain that to me? Am not understanding.

Thanks,
Mark
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A Concealed unit is non-hidden (it isn’t HIP) and unknown to the firer/spotter.

 

[ScottRomanowski]

How can a unit be non-hidden but not Known to a firer/Spotter?

"Known" has a specific meaning. The Index defines a Known Enemy Unit as "any unconcealed, non-prisoner enemy unit—even one which is broken or in Melee—which the unit in question currently has a LOS to"; see A12.11 for more details. So a unit that is concealed cannot be Known.

 

[Paul John]

Another could be shooting at a gully with a unit in and another in crest (only in crest visible),
or if you can see the upper levels of a building, but not ground level. In both cases, that unit out of LOS could be unconcealed. But spartafucil's response is the most relevant.

 

[BHBillett]

A Concealed unit is non-hidden (it isn’t HIP) and unknown to the firer/spotter.

Thank you very much. A small detail I kept missing!