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units laying down fire just to put residual FP in a hex to deny entry should be TI, this reduces that sleaze tactic,
 

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allow units placing a DC to claim assault movement, this represents a small unit or SMC "creeping up" on the target as opposed to the Hollywood charge and throw method.
 
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allow units placing a DC to claim assault movement, this represents a small unit or SMC "creeping up" on the target as opposed to the Hollywood charge and throw method.
Not understanding. This is allowed, as long as the unit does not expend ≥ its Movement Allowance. Are you trying to say that placing a DC should not be concealment loss?

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units laying down fire just to put residual FP in a hex to deny entry should be TI, this reduces that sleaze tactic,
Except for the odd case of Spraying Fire (which does not happen very often), you still need a moving target to attack in order to place Residual FP in a Location. So I am not sure what you are referring to.
 

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Incremental CC results:
One squad-equivalent (RS applies) is killed per integer below the final Kill number. It would not make much of a difference in most cases, but would limit the carnage done by a lone Japanese SMC armed only with his sword.

Some may like it, but hey it's just Hollywood
 

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Incremental CC results:
One squad-equivalent (RS applies) is killed per integer below the final Kill number. It would not make much of a difference in most cases, but would limit the carnage done by a lone Japanese SMC armed only with his sword.

Some may like it, but hey it's just Hollywood
Nice rule change almost a no brainer

I even think the final kill number is a CR and one extra HS is killed for each number below the kill number may work
 

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Incremental CC results:
One squad-equivalent (RS applies) is killed per integer below the final Kill number. It would not make much of a difference in most cases, but would limit the carnage done by a lone Japanese SMC armed only with his sword.

Some may like it, but hey it's just Hollywood
I am not sure, but I think Japanese leaders had access to grenades too.

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Only problem is ethernal Melee if enemy dies slowly.. to enter with lot of units may hold a mele two or three turns..
 
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I will add no melee for units in excess of enemy units.. or automatic withdrawal.. I mean a Leader may not hold in melee three enemy squads..
 

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Even a guard have some limits to the prisioners may guard.. and they have no weapons... why not in melee?. Twice the US#?. and I think the same for CC vs vehicles.. IMHO it’s absurd an AFV may hold in melee at any enemy infantry..
 
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Eliminating at all the capacity of enemy AFVs to freeze friendly infantry will have a fantastic effect in the game and it will give to infantry the advantage they had at close range vs AFVs, specially to BU AFVs with very límited vision
 

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We have been playing accordying to rules as written for years never thinking about the absurdity of a big lot of them.. at this point, with so many years playing and the fantastic level of researching about lot of battles, weapons, vehicles.. we just deserve a serious rules improvement..
 

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To be honest, I really think all fire limits to closest enemy units favour a lot to the moving player (attacker usually) and it gives excessive importance to timing in a movement Phase is teorically recreating simultaneous movement....
 

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At some point, some rules change just mean a different game. Any wargame has to be an abstraction, with some design decisions made. Change enough of them, even for "more realism", and you end up playing a completely different game.
 

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At some point, some rules change just mean a different game. Any wargame has to be an abstraction, with some design decisions made. Change enough of them, even for "more realism", and you end up playing a completely different game.
Ditto.
Our tactical skills are not to reproduce historical manoeuvres, but to make the best of the game system.
The only changes that I would find useful should be ways to reduce or eliminate inconsistencies within the rules system.
Some well spread house rules could reach the official optional rule status - but, as the wonky IIFT option, with its last minute, non mandatory CTC thing, those additions should require some thourough thinking and testing.
Some of Steve Pleva's Gorgor heretical rules would be good candidates.
 

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We have been playing accordying to rules as written for years never thinking about the absurdity of a big lot of them.. at this point, with so many years playing and the fantastic level of researching about lot of battles, weapons, vehicles.. we just deserve a serious rules improvement..
You can play with whatever rules you can talk your opponent into playing with.

If you think they are *really*that*bad*, change them....and convince someone else to play with your rulz changes.

<shrug>
 

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I don’t think they are bad.. I think they could be better.. and that we know the way to get them bettered..
 
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