PabloGS
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Subject says it all. Thanks!
What does CE: RT+1 mean on the back of the FT-17 tanks?
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klasmalmstrom
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French Multi-Applicable Vehicle Note C.
C. The CE DRM is +1 vs Indirect Fire, as well as vs Direct Fire that emanates from within the turret’s rear Target Facing—as signified by “CE: +1 RT” on the counter.
C. The CE DRM is +1 vs Indirect Fire, as well as vs Direct Fire that emanates from within the turret’s rear Target Facing—as signified by “CE: +1 RT” on the counter.
PabloGS
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Keep forgetting to read the notes to the vehicle notes! Thank you.
The reason is that most French AFV did not have opening cupolas or turret top hatches. Instead they had a turret rear facing hatch. The commander could open it and either peek around the side of the turret or sit on the hatch panel. Either way he exposed too much of his body for comfort. The Germans modified or replaced the existing fixed unopenable cupolas with ones that had opening top hatches when they took them into their own service as well as adding radios.
klasmalmstrom
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Juan SantaX
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I didn't know that the cupulas were unopenable...
Tuomo
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"C'est rigeur tonnage", loosely translated as "This Tank Rocks"
Jacometti
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ok I see this....now what if the turret starts turning? Does the commander fall off ?
R Hooks
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he's the one who turns it.. one man turret
Jacometti
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Looks to me like he can only turn the turret when he is inside, ie BU. Or he will fall off.
jrv
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One can think of "being CE" as spending "most of the time" outside, rather than literally being outside every second. That would allow for time to go inside, chance CA, then return outside again.
Or one can take the literalist, simulationist view and say this proves that the game is completely wrong.
JR
R Hooks
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being inside may mean those big hatchs are still open so CE+1
Within the 2-3 minute timescale of an ASL turn the commander-gunner would have plenty of time to hop back in, turn the turret a full circle and get back out on his perch. So I would oppose adding a rule that a CE 1MT could not change TCA.
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Plus, he may be able to use his feet on the cranks. Quick, who has an FT-17 in his garage to try it out?
Vinnie
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Looks like the turret still has a part below it allowing the commander to remain outside as it rotates.
Vinnie
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You couldn't fire while CE......
The FT had side hinged doors as shown in the above model box art, but the R35, H35/39, S35 and Char B1 bis had the hinge at the bottom, precisely so when open it could act as a seat for the commander. It also meant that it could open under gravity allowing easier emergency exit. With the FT the commander had to sit on the edge of the turret door cut out, especially not good if he had haemorrhoids.
Incidentally the R35, H35 and H39 used the same turret. Ditto the Char B1 and Char D2 first production shared the same turret while the S35, Char B1 bis and Char D2 second production shared theirs.
Incidentally the R35, H35 and H39 used the same turret. Ditto the Char B1 and Char D2 first production shared the same turret while the S35, Char B1 bis and Char D2 second production shared theirs.
Jacometti
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I believe most French tank commanders had herpes, not haemorrhoids.
Clearly the tank was designed with this snippet of information in mind.
R Hooks
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Does that mean most Russian tank drivers had HAMMEROIDS?