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An AFV is in hex 47W8 (level 0) facing the hex spine between W7 (a level -1 valley) & U7 (a level 0 woods). The spine itself is totally in the U7 valley and the woods & center dot are totally on level 0 with room to bypass on level 0 if allowed. If the AFV moves forward into U7 using VBM is it on level 0 or -1?
 

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My mistake, AFV facing W7 & V7, VBM into V7
 

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Any VBM along hexside 47V7-W7 puts the vehicles at Level 0.

A4.34:
"...If a unit is using Bypass (including VBM) along a Crest Line, and the obstacle it is Bypassing is on the higher level of that Crest Line, then the unit is also at that higher level (since a Crest Line itself cannot be Bypassed; 4.3). "
 

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Thank you for the quick response,much appreciated
 

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Any VBM along hexside 47V7-W7 puts the vehicles at Level 0.

A4.34:
"...If a unit is using Bypass (including VBM) along a Crest Line, and the obstacle it is Bypassing is on the higher level of that Crest Line, then the unit is also at that higher level (since a Crest Line itself cannot be Bypassed; 4.3). "

So if the vehicle ends its movement along that spine (or takes D1F as it moves) LOS is traced to the CAFP (which itself seems clearly at -1) but considered at level 0 elevation? Is that correct?
 

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It’s kinda strange because LOS is traced to this ‘floating’ spot above level 0. If it were a double crest line they would be floating up there at level one.
 

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It’s kinda strange because LOS is traced to this ‘floating’ spot above level 0. If it were a double crest line they would be floating up there at level one.
It’s kinda strange because LOS is traced to this ‘floating’ spot above level 0. If it were a double crest line they would be floating up there at level one.
Thanks for the response
 

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It’s kinda strange because LOS is traced to this ‘floating’ spot above level 0. If it were a double crest line they would be floating up there at level one.
The ASL map can't be taken as a literal depiction at all times. The hex grid is a convenience but is not necessarily literally the location of the unit. The members of a squad in a hex are not all standing on top of each other totem pole like at the hex center. Another example, when firing at a unit with Wall Advantage in a hex with woods from the backside there may be no LOS to the wall (where if we were being literal, the unit would be), yet LOS is traced to the hex center and the TEM is +0. Look at the pretty map, then read the rules.

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Any VBM along hexside 47V7-W7 puts the vehicles at Level 0.

A4.34:
"...If a unit is using Bypass (including VBM) along a Crest Line, and the obstacle it is Bypassing is on the higher level of that Crest Line, then the unit is also at that higher level (since a Crest Line itself cannot be Bypassed; 4.3). "
What about a Snap Shot?
If an enemy unit in X10 fires a Snap Shot to a unit moving from V7 to W7, does it has LOS? At what height is the hexside?
 

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What about a Snap Shot?
If an enemy unit in X10 fires a Snap Shot to a unit moving from V7 to W7, does it has LOS? At what height is the hexside?
The crestline cannot be bypassed while bypass movement is being made around the obstacle in the hex (i.e. the unit is inside the hex). The LOF is only traced to the hexside for game mechanic purposes so the unit is considered at the higher elevation throughout his move inside the hex of the obstacle being bypassed not at the hexside.
 

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It is not a bypass movement situation. It is a straight movement from V7 (Level 0) to W7 (Level -1).

If a unit in X9 fires a snap shot along the hexsides to exactly the V7/W7 hexside, does it have LOS?
I don't know if the V7/W7 hexside level is considered to be according to the drawing (which would be Level -1, so no LOS), or is there any rule similar to the bypass rule that would kick in in this case.
 

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If a unit in X9 fires a snap shot along the hexsides to exactly the V7/W7 hexside, does it have LOS?
I believe that the rules for Snap Shot require the firer to have LOS to the entire hexside, which in this case is at Level -1. So if I understand your question correctly, a unit in X9 would not qualify for a Snap Shot.

A8.15 SNAP SHOT:
Any unit wishing to make a Small-Arms/MG Defensive First Fire attack may claim a Snap Shot if it can trace a LOS to an entire hexside (even if that hexside is part of a Blind hex) that was crossed by the moving unit in entering a on-board hex (even if the center dot of that hex is out of the firer's LOS) [EXC: A Snap Shot cannot be taken at a unit while entering the firer's hex].
 

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That's what I believe, also. I wanted confirmation that the hexside elevation is per its drawing, the only exception being the bypass situation.
 

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I remember a thread about snapshots and blind hexes. The operative rule:

Any unit wishing to make a Small-Arms/MG Defensive First Fire attack may claim a Snap Shot if it can trace a LOS to an entire hexside (even if that hexside is part of a Blind hex)
How does that factor into X9 to V7/W7 shot?
 

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I remember a thread about snapshots and blind hexes. The operative rule:

How does that factor into X9 to V7/W7 shot?
Not sure that X9 -> V7/W7 hexside (or to W7) isn't really about Blind Hexes - Blind Hexes is about when the firer is at a higher elevation than an intervening obstacle. That's doesn't seem to be the case from X9 ->V7/W7.
 

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So bypassing in V7 is at level 0 but crossing the hexside on the V7 side is at -1 ?
 
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