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An LVTA2 spends six MP and wants to ESB for one MP so it can stop and unload Passengers. Is this allowed?
 

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The vehicle may ESB and gain MP, but the passengers gain no MF. Once the vehicle has exceeded 1⁄2 of its MP, the passengers do not have the two MF needed to unload. This is based on a q&a.

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3/4 according to the RB, not 1/2? D6.5:
“Since ESB (2.5) does not grant any additional MF, Passengers/Riders may not unload after a vehicle has spent > than 3/4 of its printed MP allot-
ment, although they may continue to be transported via any additional MP so obtained.”
 

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3/4 according to the RB, not 1/2? D6.5:
“Since ESB (2.5) does not grant any additional MF, Passengers/Riders may not unload after a vehicle has spent > than 3/4 of its printed MP allot-
ment, although they may continue to be transported via any additional MP so obtained.”
He's using an LVTA2, which I assume does not have a ramp and costs 2x to unload (NVNH). The q&a applies to normal vehicles, but extending it to vehicles that are 2x to unload is not unreasonable.

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He's using an LVTA2, which I assume does not have a ramp and costs 2x to unload (NVNH). The q&a applies to normal vehicles, but extending it to vehicles that are 2x to unload is not unreasonable.
Agree, when D6.5 was updated with:
"Since ESB (2.5) does not grant any additional MF, Passengers/Riders may not unload after a vehicle has spent > than ¾ of its printed MP allotment, although they may continue to be transported via any additional MP so obtained. "

... I think that was because of this Q&A:
D6.5 May Passengers or Riders be Unloaded withthe use of Movement Points gained by ESB
(D2.5)?
A. No; once a vehicle has spent > 3/4 of itsprinted MP allotment, the Personnel will have
spent > 3/4 of their MF allotment, leaving no MF left to unload. [An97]


It was just overlooked that not all vehicles have a 25% unloading cost.
 

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It does cost the passengers 50% to unload from that vehicle. Does another Perry Sez need to be asked to clarify the previous answer?
 

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@Mongo5486 “Since ESB doesn’t grant extra MF” is the applicable part of the rule regardless of the cost to unload.
 

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A ht (16 MP) with a 467. Starts its MPh and attempts ESB asking for 4 MP (passing the DR).
The ht now has 20 MP to work with this turn.
If it wishes to unload the 467 it must do it before it reaches 13 MP (3/4 of its printed MP).
Is the unload cost 4 MP (1/4 of the printed 16) or 5 MP (1/4 of its MP this turn)?
 

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A ht (16 MP) with a 467. Starts its MPh and attempts ESB asking for 4 MP (passing the DR).
The ht now has 20 MP to work with this turn.
If it wishes to unload the 467 it must do it before it reaches 13 MP (3/4 of its printed MP).
Is the unload cost 4 MP (1/4 of the printed 16) or 5 MP (1/4 of its MP this turn)?
Unloading (for most vehicles) takes ¼ of the MP allotment [D6.5], which is the number printed on the counter. Per D2.5 ESB allows the vehicle to exceed its MP allotment.

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