von Marwitz
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Interesting. Could you quote a source?Oddly enough it was the Sturmtiger that was used be the SS.
von Marwitz
Interesting. Could you quote a source?Oddly enough it was the Sturmtiger that was used be the SS.
I believe that one of them was used less then 10 miles from where I live. There is even an ASL scenario on it (HS32 A Few Rounds of the Operation Veritable Historical Study).The only one I could find is that 7 of them were issued to Sturmmorserkompanie's 1000 & 1001that were attached to the 6thPanzer Armee for the
Battles at Remagen and the Hurtegen forest.
To me it is like grocery shopping and finding out the store ran out of my favorite brand of bread so I substitute a store brand. We need the bread so we buy what they have. When the preferred brand is back I will buy that. As to people refusing to play with them, I think that is kind of childish but it takes all kinds. Personally as long as I can use them at home it is fine. I do not plan to buy nationalities from CH that are readily available elsewhere and I will probably replace them when MMP finally releases the ones that are out of print. Until that time as Canada Bill said, "it is the only game in town."I think it is not a good idea on principle to give CH money, even for these, because doing so simply encourages him not to reform his ways. But it's your choice. You should be aware that some people will refuse to use CH counters, if you expect to bring them to a setting with other ASL players.
I completely support anyone who wants to speak with their $$ especially when business practices seem designed to catch a buyer unaware that they might be buying something they already have. Everyone has the right to spend their money as they see fit and as it gives them satisfaction. I don't understand the idea of missing a possibly enjoyable game and missing the possibility of adding a new friend (I don't have enough of those) because they use different counters. They're not blood diamonds and I don't believe that the purchase of CH counters says something about the core beliefs of an individual. Again, to each his own. It's something I am just getting into and have the hope of many enjoyable hours of playing time and meeting some new people. With a stressful job and family matters, I have too many other higher priority issues going on at any one time to devote any emotional energy to the subject.I think it is not a good idea on principle to give CH money, even for these, because doing so simply encourages him not to reform his ways. But it's your choice. You should be aware that some people will refuse to use CH counters, if you expect to bring them to a setting with other ASL players.
It is more like grocer shopping and substituting a brand made by someone who also poisons rivers and streams with industrial runoff.To me it is like grocery shopping and finding out the store ran out of my favorite brand of bread so I substitute a store brand. We need the bread so we buy what they have. When the preferred brand is back I will buy that. As to people refusing to play with them, I think that is kind of childish but it takes all kinds. Personally as long as I can use them at home it is fine. I do not plan to buy nationalities from CH that are readily available elsewhere and I will probably replace them when MMP finally releases the ones that are out of print. Until that time as Canada Bill said, "it is the only game in town."
I think it is not a good idea on principle to give CH money, even for these, because doing so simply encourages him not to reform his ways. But it's your choice. You should be aware that some people will refuse to use CH counters, if you expect to bring them to a setting with other ASL players.
So your only a part asshole not complete asshole in voicing your concerns about using CH countersOnly a complete asshole would say that to a perspective opponent about refusing to play with ch counters. When I was at ASLOK last year, I did voice my concerns with playing a scenario with CH counters but I did not refuse to use them. That would be a real dickhead move. On the other hand, I only met one asshole at ASLOK of all the times I have been there, guess who that asshole was? You herr pitmann.
Scott
I'm firmly in the camp that nationality countersets from any TPP are WAAY past due as an idea- we were debating their usefulness and ultimate effect on the hobby back in 2012, right here on GS forums.I'm very new to the game but it is an interesting thought. If someone buys the French counters from CH and is able to play the scenarios, will they still buy the new MMP module when available. Likely some fall into each camp. MMP does put out a high quality product and there will be some extra value. Maybe they will provide the later war French so you don't have to mix and match counters for later scenarios. Of course, nothing says CH can't beat them to the draw with that also.
Without CH- TRBH would never have existed. That would have been a pity.Well, it is true: some people are very, very stupid. Can't be helped, unfortunately. CH's entire business model is based on that simple truth.
So kind of like every major store chain in the world nowadays? CH isn't using child labor underpaid in Bangladesh to manufacture its products. Everyone who ever bought something at a Wal-Mart supported a company who does that daily.It is more like grocer shopping and substituting a brand made by someone who also poisons rivers and streams with industrial runoff.
There are some things I would not accept at a gaming table. If a guy walked up in a full SS-SD regalia and uniform for a ASL game, I would thank him and concede, then leave graciously. If a guy wanted to play with his new CH counters with SS insignia printed on them - fine, whatever. It's a game, I don't care what counters you use, as long as they are legible, part of ASL in any of its forms, and placed or used within the framework of the game rules.What is the issue using them? Is it that people object to the company or that they object to the counters themselves as far as quality or ease of use? That being said, if somebody refused to play with me because of the counters I was using, I would thank them for saving me the time of finding out what I would have inevitably found out about them over the course of the next three hours or so.
I'm not big on reprints for the sake of counters alone. I didn't get FK&C because it offered nothing really new. I didn't get the new Yanks for the same reason. I picked up RS for the updated Ch. G rules only. The only reason I'll pick up HLv3 is because it will contain the updated Ch. F rules. The new CDG will contain the HASL Dinant as well, so I'll pick it up.I'm firmly in the camp that nationality countersets from any TPP are WAAY past due as an idea- we were debating their usefulness and ultimate effect on the hobby back in 2012, right here on GS forums.
I seriously doubt anyone will pass on HL v3 or CdG redux because of purchasing these countersets. Besides the reasons already mentioned:
A. MMP puts in a boatload of out of print older ASL Annual and ASL Journal scenarios into each reprinted core module.
B. MMP always adds in a nice stakc of new scenarios to each core module reprint.
C. The reprinted rules sections (E, F, H) are 2nd editionized and erratasized. Hard to fault that in any way.
D. As Perry says - MMP does not reprint core modules with n expectation that EVERYONE will buy a copy of the new and improved version. MMP focuses on providing a clean ,clear, major error-free product in the core module reprints. Perry said here on GS before RS that it was hoped people who already owned CoB and GH might find enough value to buy RS- but buying it was not necessary to play PTO. I am glad they do so.
E. MMP has taken to adding in freebie HASL CGs to the core module reprints - HLv3 will have SoN - and CdG redux will have Dinant - two more good reasons to buy the reprinted core modules.
My $.02
KRL, Jon H