Turner's Gettysburg

[GeorgiaDixie]

Ah, okay. What exactly is a conservative libertarian? I know what a libertarian is (I agree with some parts of the philosophy) but I can't wrap my mind around a "conservative" libertarian.

 

[gus t]

movie did honor those men who fought. Reading about something is great for us history buffs, but most people won't read more than what they did in school. And, also, I love actually seeing what I was reading about in the flesh!

As a re-enactor, I dissuade people from taking what we present too seriously. We are "in the flesh" and on a good day you can get a general view of army life at the time and a HINT of what battles looked like, but there are many holes that must be filled in through reading and imagining. For instance, in "Gettysburg", the Union army was supposedly encamped for three days at the "stone wall" in 90 degree heat, after much see-saw fighting on that ground and terrific bambardment. Do you see any unattended bodies, cast-off equipment, hastily-rigged sun shelters, ragged, lean, tired troops, the reverse slope teeming with wagons, wounded & random supply dumps?

He may be a leftist (from what people on this board, much more a leftist than I had imagined) but he still keeps it completely out of his films.

Guess what - he's not dumb (nobody said he was) and guess what- he's smart enough to know putting too much of his own politics into it would be bad box office, and guess what-he's sympathetic to the rebellion against US authority and it shows in the movie.

Turner categorically rejects every one of the old south's time honored traditions and beliefs. He's a borderline socialist-communist who believes the US is an evil power which needs to be stopped. He's also for a much bigger and stronger Federal govenment, higher taxes, more welfare programs, more environmentalist regulation, and a near total re-write of America's history books.

I'll drink to that! (see my comments above regarding gratis re-enactor participation in his movies)

I'm still waiting exact quotes.

Bullshit. Nobody said we were having a seminar here. Rejecting our viewpoints out of hand simply because we didn't come here with books full of quotes is a typical cheap shot.

 

[GeorgiaDixie]

As a re-enactor, I dissuade people from taking what we present too seriously. We are "in the flesh" and on a good day you can get a general view of army life at the time and a HINT of what battles looked like, but there are many holes that must be filled in through reading and imagining. For instance, in "Gettysburg", the Union army was supposedly encamped for three days at the "stone wall" in 90 degree heat, after much see-saw fighting on that ground and terrific bambardment. Do you see any unattended bodies, cast-off equipment, hastily-rigged sun shelters, ragged, lean, tired troops, the reverse slope teeming with wagons, wounded & random supply dumps?

It is a movie, though. Everything can't be perfect. I think it was close enough to the real things for a movie.

Guess what - he's not dumb (nobody said he was) and guess what- he's smart enough to know putting too much of his own politics into it would be bad box office, and guess what-he's sympathetic to the rebellion against US authority and it shows in the movie.

Wait, Don said he was a borderline socialist. That couldn't be considered the Confederacy, by any stretch of the imagination. I assume you mean he wishes for the overthrow of the United States government. That is not what the Confederacy was fighting for. It was fighting for independence. But let's not have that debate here.

Bullshit. Nobody said we were having a seminar here. Rejecting our viewpoints out of hand simply because we didn't come here with books full of quotes is a typical cheap shot.

Hey, buddy, calm down. I simply wanted to see some actual quotes, since I personally have never heard him say such things. I'd like to evalute them myself. I didn't reject your viewpoint. I'm beginning to see what y'all are talking about. The only reason I'll reject your viewpoint is when you become overtly hostile. :whist:

 

[Dr Zaius]

Selected quotes of Ted Turner:

I'd say the chances are about 50-50 that humanity will be extinct or nearly extinct within 50 years. Weapons of mass destruction, disease, I mean this global warming is scaring the living daylights out of me.

The media is too concentrated, too few people own too much. There's really five companies that control 90 percent of what we read, see and hear. It's not healthy.

The United States has got some of the dumbest people in the world. I want you to know that we know that.

If I only had a little humility, I'd be perfect.

On the 9/11 terrorist hijackers: "I think they were brave at the very least."

When 39 members of the Heaven’s Gate cult committed mass suicide in California in 1997, Turner called it "a good way to get rid of a few nuts." While he expressed relief that they didn't also kill innocent victims, he went on to say, "There are too many people anyway. We’ve got too many nuts running around anyway, right?"

"We spent $87 billion to blow Iraq up and then we spent another $87 billion to put it back together, and all to get one man and we still haven't got him," Turner said. "Talk about a failure."

Turner said that people in developed nations must adopt a global outlook and help those in developing nations. "The reason that the World Trade Center got hit is because there are a lot of people living in abject poverty out there who don't have any hope for a better life," he said.

Ted Turner, founder of Cable News Network, said it was Cuban "commie dictator" Fidel Castro who inspired him to broadcast CNN into other countries around the world. Castro invited Turner to visit Cuba in 1982 after a CNN news team visited the communist nation.

"We spent all night drinking and smoking cigars," Turner told a convention of cable television operators meeting in Los Angeles on Wednesday. "He told me CNN was invaluable to him. And I thought, if Fidel Castro can't live without it, we ought to be able to sell CNN all over the world. So the idea came from a commie dictator," said Turner.

After his 1982 meeting with Castro, Turner commented: "Fidel ain't a communist. He's a dictator just like me."

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3aa970ab672a.htm
http://blogbat.us/mt/archives/2005/01/ted_for_tat.html
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/CA499014.html

 

[GeorgiaDixie]

Thanks for the quotes Don. I just wanted to see his actual words. As crazy a liberal as he is, he still makes good movies!

 

[gus t]

It is a movie, though. Everything can't be perfect. I think it was close enough to the real things for a movie.

Of course your entitiled to your opinion. I just think they shoud try harder on the "ambiance" in battle scenes. The "set dressers" should spend a little more time & money spreading litter on the battlefields. Hollywood has warehouses full of unused gear that could be trucked in for the purpose.

The only reason I'll reject your viewpoint is when you become overtly hostile.

"Cease fire, men! Load and hold!"

Turner Quote:
On the 9/11 terrorist hijackers: "I think they were brave at the very least."

Well - how about it guys? Do you think it's time to stop working for this guy - at least for free?