TONS of Explosives missing in Iraq!

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Kraut said:
Oh, wait, let me get this clear, you invaded Iraq with the reasoning that otherwise terrorists might get dangerous material into their hands.
YES
We now know that they didn't get it during Saddams regime because these dangerous explosives were still there after US forces secured the installation. But we also know that terrorists might now have this dangerous stuff as a direct result of a not propperly planed and rushed invasion that didn't include enough soldiers to guard those dangerous sites.
There aren't enough soldiers in the entire US Army to guard the conventional ammo stockpiles in Iraq - the whole freaking country is an ammo dump. We were looking for the WMD that the Russians moved to Syria.
And that's a direct result of your CinC and Rummys descision of how to conduct this war... and you still support this man, beliving he will make your daily live safer ?
You've got it!! That's why it will be: Bush 54% 317 EVs - Kerry 45% 221 EVs on Tuesday.
 

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The Doctor said:
YYou've got it!! That's why it will be: Bush 54% 317 EVs - Kerry 45% 221 EVs on Tuesday.
Uhh, if you think you life is safer with the possibility of 380t of high explosives in terrorists hands... stay away from my home please, and if I had a daughter I would forbid her to date men like you, with those strange rotating, shiny eyes :cheeky: :nuts:
 
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Kraut said:
Uhh, if you think you life is safer with the possibility of 380t of high explosives in terrorists hands... stay away from my home please, and if I had a daughter I would forbid her to date men like you, with those strange rotating, shiny eyes :cheeky: :nuts:
My life is safer with the possibility of John Kerry returning to the Senate next January. As far as your daughter, thanks but I'm much too old and too married. :laugh:
 

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CPangracs said:
It's getting to the point where I may vote for Nader just because I NEVER see him spouting crap anywhere, anytime, and knowing that a vote for Nader is a vote for W, I can then feel comfortable and have no guilt if, for some reason, W really screw's up, or Kerry gets elected, and the US Army switches to a Light Blue beret from their current black one. ;) I will have done my part to vote, yet elect neither of them!
I think you're on to something here Curt. Why don't you convince the rest of this forum and everyone else you can think of and we'll see how it turns out! :D
 

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Tiberius said:
I think you're on to something here Curt. Why don't you convince the rest of this forum and everyone else you can think of and we'll see how it turns out! :D
I won't do it for the simple fact that you suggested it. Simple.
 

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Back when the new Hours of Service for trucking where being debated Nader came up with his idea: Trucks could not run at night or on Sundays. Can you iagine what would've happened if this had come true? Everything would be fine till Ralph ran out of Charmin. Nader is a severe threat to our country, although it would be nice to have niether a Rep or a Dem in office for a change. How 'bout a nice Libertarian??
 

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here is one

October Surprise

by Gordon Prather
To the dismay of the neo-crazies, the Iraqi puppet government has just reported to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) that 195 metric tons of HMX, 141 metric tons of RDX, and 5.8 metric tons of PETN have gone missing.

Why report that to the IAEA? Because Iraq had imported or manufactured all three of these high-explosives for use in their illicit nuke program Hence, the Iraqi stocks had been subject to the IAEA Safeguards and Physical Security regime ever since they were discovered at al-Qaqaa in 1991.

How long have they been missing?

The IAEA last checked the integrity of their seals in March 2003, just days before Bush attacked Iraq. Bush has not allowed the IAEA back in Iraq since.

Mohammed al-Sharaa, who headed, then and now, Iraq's Safeguarded site monitoring department, says, "It is impossible that these materials could have been taken from this site before the regime's fall."

An IAEA spokeswoman says that after hearing of the looting at the principal Safeguarded site at Tuwaitha in April 2003, the IAEA formally expressed concern "about the security of the [Safeguarded] high explosives stored at al-Qaqaa."

But not to worry. One of the Pentagon neo-crazies – John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security – has just told Gullible Gertz at the Washington Times that he "believes" Russian special forces, working with Iraqi intelligence, "almost certainly" took custody of all those Safeguarded high-explosives and smuggled them out of Iraq – to either Syria or Iran – just before Bush invaded.

Neither Shaw, nor Gertz, nor even John Kerry seems to have grasped the import of Shaw's accusations.

A Bush administration weenie has just formally accused the Russians of conspiring with the Iraqis, Iranians, and perhaps the Syrians to subvert the IAEA Safeguards regime and to assist Iran or Syria acquire a nuke capability, in flagrant violation of the Treaty on Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons!

Maybe it would help you to know what Shaw knows about HMX and RDX.

In a first-generation implosion-type nuke – like the Fat Man we dropped on Nagasaki – a spherical sub-critical mass of fissile uranium is surrounded by "shaped charges" of chemical high-explosives (HE). When detonated, the HE shaped charges create a spherically-symmetric imploding shock-wave, which compresses the 7-inch-diameter sub-critical sphere into a teeny-tiny highly super-critical sphere. A fission chain reaction is then initiated, which continues exponentially until enough fission energy is produced to blow the supercritical mass apart.

Since half the nuclear yield comes from the last generation, the art of the nuke designer is to compress the fissile material as much and as quickly as possible and then to keep it supercritical for as long as possible.

To do that, the nuke designer needs a special kind of HE that didn't really exist in 1944. As a result, the Fat Man – which used conventional explosives – had a low yield but weighed about 10,000 pounds. So, to get the yield up and the weight down, U.S. nuke scientists began developing their own high energy, but relatively insensitive, explosives.

By 1947, scientists at Los Alamos had created RDX, the first plastic-bonded explosive. Soon afterwards, scientists at Lawrence Livermore developed the even more energetic HMX. Most of the nukes in our stockpile today utilize RDX and HMX plastic-bonded explosives.

So, the HMX and RDX the IAEA found at al-Qaqaa was for Iraqi nukes. They had built an RDX production plant at al-Qaqaa. It was destroyed in the Gulf War and never rebuilt.

However, the Iraqis were unable to produce significant quantities of fissile uranium, so the HMX and RDX stocks were never needed.

But RDX and HMX can be used for other purposes, such as mining, tunneling, or demolition. Hence, the Iraqis were allowed to keep their stocks of HMX and RDX – safeguarded by the IAEA – until they could come up with plans for using their stocks peacefully.


Until now, the pre-election brouhaha has focused on the possible use in Iraq of those "missing" hundreds of tons of "conventional" high-explosives.

But in the extremely unlikely event that Shaw is not crazy, it might be a good idea for Kerry to bring up the nuke programs the neo-crazies allege Iran and North Korea have jump-started because Bush invaded Iraq.

Iraq had RDX and HMX for nukes, but no fissile material. But both Iran and North Korea have – or soon could have – fissile material for nukes, but no RDX or HMX.

So, who says you're safer now than before Bush invaded Iraq?
 

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piero1971 said:
October Surprise

by Gordon Prather
To the dismay of the neo-crazies...



But not to worry. One of the Pentagon neo-crazies – John A. Shaw...



A Bush administration weenie...
Are neo-crazies and administative weenies appointed positions or just openly hired. Think I could be a weenie if I had the right credentials....
 

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piero1971 said:
Iraq had RDX and HMX for nukes, but no fissile material. But both Iran and North Korea have ? or soon could have ? fissile material for nukes, but no RDX or HMX.
Well, I have no hard data on this but i doubt it. If the USA managed to develop and manufacture these explosives in 1947 they cant be too technological challenging and I don't think that a country that managed the complicated process to aquire enough fissile material for a bomb would fail to produce the explosives necessary for a nuke... especially if we learned that conventional explosives did the job with the Hiroshima/Nagasaki bombs. So if Iran had the fissile material and even without RMX they would still be able to build a nuke, maybe not as powerfull as it could be, but a Hiroshima kind of bomb is still able to flatten a city, so what?

Oh, and if russian spies are really helping Iran with its nuke program, I bet there would have been far more valuable things to loot from Iraq, expecially if we think why they should have taken all 380t if you need far less to build several nukes ? 1 ton would have probably been more than enough for several bombs and testing, and they could have used the rest of the 379t transport capacity for something else.

Must have been really stupid russian spies if the story is true :p
 
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