TONS of Explosives missing in Iraq!

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IAEA Says Tons of Iraq Explosives Missing

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By WILLIAM J. KOLE, Associated Press Writer

VIENNA, Austria - Several hundred tons of conventional explosives are missing from a former Iraqi military facility that once played a key role in Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s efforts to build a nuclear bomb, the U.N. nuclear agency confirmed Monday.

International Atomic Energy Agency chief Mohamed ElBaradei will report the materials' disappearance to the U.N. Security Council later Monday, spokeswoman Melissa Fleming told The Associated Press.

"On Oct. 10, the IAEA received a declaration from the Iraqi Ministry of Science and Technology informing us that approximately 350 tons of high explosive material had gone missing," Fleming said.

In Washington, Democratic presidential hopeful John Kerry (news - web sites)'s campaign said the Bush administration "must answer for what may be the most grave and catastrophic mistake in a tragic series of blunders in Iraq (news - web sites)."

"How did they fail to secure ... tons of known, deadly explosives despite clear warnings from the International Atomic Energy Agency to do so?" senior Kerry adviser Joe Lockhart said in a statement.

The Iraqis told the nuclear agency the materials had been stolen and looted because of a lack of security at governmental installations, Fleming said.

"We do not know what happened to the explosives or when they were looted," she told AP.

Nearly 380 tons of powerful explosives that could be used to build large conventional bombs are missing from the former Al Qaqaa military installation, The New York Times reported Monday.

The explosives included HMX and RDX, which can be used to demolish buildings but also produce warheads for missiles and detonate nuclear weaponry, the newspaper said. It said they disappeared after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq last year.

Bush's national security adviser, Condoleeza Rice, was informed of the missing explosives in the past month, the report said. It said Iraq's interim government recently warned the United States and U.N. nuclear inspectors that the explosives had vanished.

"Upon receiving the declaration on Oct. 10, we first took measures to authenticate it," Fleming said. "Then on Oct. 15, we informed the multinational forces through the U.S. government with the request for it to take any appropriate action in cooperation with Iraq's interim government."

"Mr. ElBaradei wanted to give them some time to recover the explosives before reporting this loss to the Security Council, but since it's now out, ElBaradei plans to inform the Security Council today" in a letter to the council president, she said.

There was no immediate explanation for the discrepancy between the IAEA's figure of 350 tons and the newspaper's estimate of nearly 380 tons.

Before the war, inspectors with the Vienna-based IAEA had kept tabs on the so-called "dual use" explosives because they could have been used to detonate a nuclear weapon.

IAEA inspectors pulled out of Iraq just before the 2003 invasion and have not yet been able to return despite ElBaradei's repeated urging that the experts be allowed back in to finish their work.

ElBaradei told the U.N. Security Council before the war that Iraq's nuclear program was in disarray and that there was no evidence to suggest it had revived efforts to build atomic weaponry.

Al Qaqaa, a sprawling former military installation about 30 miles south of Baghdad, was placed under U.S. military control but repeatedly has been looted, raising troubling questions about whether the missing explosives have fallen into the hands of insurgents battling coalition forces.

Saddam was known to have used the site to make conventional warheads, and IAEA inspectors dismantled parts of his nuclear program there before the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites). The experts also oversaw the destruction of Iraq's chemical and biological weapons.

The nuclear agency pulled out of Iraq in 1998, and by the time it returned in 2002, it confirmed that 35 tons of HMX that had been placed under IAEA seal were missing. HMX and RDX are the key components in plastic explosives, which insurgents have widely used in a series of bloody car bombings in Iraq.

"These explosives can be used to blow up airplanes, level buildings, attack our troops and detonate nuclear weapons," Lockhart said.

"The Bush administration knew where this stockpile was, but took no action to secure the site. They were urgently and specifically informed that terrorists could be helping themselves to the most dangerous explosives bonanza in history, but nothing was done to prevent it from happening," he said.

"This material was monitored and controlled by U.N. inspectors before the invasion of Iraq. Thanks to the stunning incompetence of the Bush administration, we now have no idea where it is," Lockart said. He demanded the White House explain "why they failed to safeguard these explosives and keep them out of the hands of our enemies."

ElBaradei told the United Nations (news - web sites) in February 2003 that Iraq had declared that "HMX previously under IAEA seal had been transferred for use in the production of industrial explosives, primarily to cement plants as a booster for explosives used in quarrying."

"However, given the nature of the use of high explosives, it may well be that the IAEA will be unable to reach a final conclusion on the end use of this material," ElBaradei warned at the time.

"A large quantity of these explosives were under IAEA seal because they do have a nuclear application," Fleming said Monday.

The nuclear agency has no concrete evidence to suggest the seals were broken, Fleming said, but a diplomat familiar with the agency's work in Iraq said the seals must have been broken if the explosives were stolen.
Looks like Saddam was just a fluffy little pussycat. :rolleyes:

Oh, and of course, John Kerry jumped on this, saying that it was the US's fault for the looting, even though no one knows when it happened!

What I want to know is, Why didn't they isolate it, and destroy it?

 
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CPangracs said:
Looks like Saddam was just a fluffy little pussycat. :rolleyes:

Oh, and of course, John Kerry jumped on this, saying that it was the US's fault for the looting, even though no one knows when it happened!
The U.N. inspectors and everybody else KNEW about the explosives. The only ones who FAILED to keep track of them was the American occupation, whose RESPONSIBILITY it was to do so. WHEN are you (Bush administration) going to start looking in the
mirror and start TAKING some responsibility?


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What I want to know is, Why didn't they isolate it, and destroy it?

This is your question for the administration right?
 
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Well done, Tiberius.

CPangracs - as Shrubster is the Commander-in-Chief, it is exactly his responsibility and his fault. As of this AM, the official quote is now 380 tons of high grade explosive missing, and that's not pocket change. Furthermore, failure to adequately secure this stuff is tatamount to complicity in the murder of every single soldier killed by it, not to mention being criminally irresponsible. Time to stop white washing and soft pedalling everything and look at it the way it is - this is well beyond a simple foul up; we are now in the rarified atmosphere of a total government FUBAR of monumental proportions. A century from now military cadets will still be shaking their heads in wonder as they read about "George's War".

Additionally, Duct Tape George's constant whiny claim to be in control of the situation in Iraq is now further revealed as so much male bovine excrement.

Duct Tape must have a sociopathic personality disorder. Anybody normal would be mortally embarassed to be publicly found out in so many lies while occupying his position. That is never bothers him should disturb every American with an IQ larger than their belt size. That it nevers seems to register with otherwise intelligent Americans bothers me.
 
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Tiberius said:
The U.N. inspectors and everybody else KNEW about the explosives. The only ones who FAILED to keep track of them was the American occupation, whose RESPONSIBILITY it was to do so. WHEN are you (Bush administration) going to start looking in the
mirror and start TAKING some responsibility?



This is your question for the administration right?
Wrong,...these explosives were found in 1998,...during slick Willie's fiasco of an administration - so it's a question for YOUR administration - why didn't they destroy it when found?!

Also, it is NOT known if it was even there when we invaded.

Next question?
 

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Well done, Tiberius.

CPangracs - as Shrubster is the Commander-in-Chief, it is exactly his responsibility and his fault. As of this AM, the official quote is now 380 tons of high grade explosive missing, and that's not pocket change.

Additionally, Duct Taope George's constant whiny claim to be incontrol of the situation in Iraq is now further revealed as so much male bovine excrement.

Duct Tape must have a sociopathic personality disorder. Anybody normal would be mortally embarassed to be publicly found out in so many lies while occupying his position. That is never bothers him should disturb every American with an IQ larger than their belt size.

I don't converse with substandard soldiers who don't believe in following the orders of those appointed over them.

You are dismissed,...go grab your dufflebag and head to the nearest Greyhound station, dirtbag.
 

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CPangracs said:
Wrong,...these explosives were found in 1998,...during slick Willie's fiasco of an administration - so it's a question for YOUR administration - why didn't they destroy it when found?!
Duh! Because explosives weren't on the banned wapon list ??? Iraq had tons of artillery shells, RPGs, bullets, military explosives... all totally legal, there was no reason to destroy them or the explosives during the WMD hunt.
 

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Duh! Because explosives weren't on the banned wapon list ??? Iraq had tons of artillery shells, RPGs, bullets, military explosives... all totally legal, there was no reason to destroy them or the explosives during the WMD hunt.
That's just too logical Kraut, and has no place in this conversation... ;)

Don't you know that according to the right-wing mythos, all Evil in the World flowed from the Clenis, onto the Blue Dress of the Temple Whore Monica, where it spawned all those who follow false gods, hoard WMD's, hijack airliners for nefarious purpose, and run red lights in school zones?
 

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I don't know about what was here before we invaded, but there's still ammo dumps all over this friggin cess pool. There are too many for the current troop level to properly secure. Blame that on whomever you wish...
 

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How convenient. A NY newspaper comes out with this info 8 days before the presidential election. Maybe Sen. Clinton had something to do with it. The news is probably old and been held back from the public so that now it can be used to Kerry's advantage. Seems a little too convenient.

"Democracy encourages the majority to decide things about which the majority is blissfully ignorant"---John Simon

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I was wondering when someone else would pick-up on that. I refrained due to my posting it and being a Bush supporter - maybe others will see this for what it is.

3 November, 2004 can't get here soon enough for me!
 

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I was wondering when someone else would pick-up on that. I refrained due to my posting it and being a Bush supporter - maybe others will see this for what it is.

3 November, 2004 can't get here soon enough for me!
In all honesty, I was a democrat for years........until Clinton was elected......Since, I have had to vote for Republicans because they are the only ones who do what needs to be done to enemies of the state. They act the way a 'world power' should act. Dont take crap off of these idiots and pay them not to attack us.......or promise not to sanction them if they dont attack us.
The Democratic party has gone so far to the left its ridiculous.

The United States as a whole needs to Take Back Her Freedom. With men like Kerry in office........I dont see that happening.

Mark
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How convenient. A NY newspaper comes out with this info 8 days before the presidential election. Maybe Sen. Clinton had something to do with it. The news is probably old and been held back from the public so that now it can be used to Kerry's advantage. Seems a little too convenient.
And if there's one thing that is more ridiculous than the obsessive blaming of the Clenis for the ills of the world, it's the role of the diabloical Queen of Evil that the right wing has cast Hillary into.

And they have the gall say the left is full of conspiracy theory nutjobs... :nuts:
 

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last_cav1971 said:
How convenient. A NY newspaper comes out with this info 8 days before the presidential election.
On Oct. 10, the IAEA received a declaration from the Iraqi Ministry of Science and Technology informing us that approximately 350 tons of high explosive material had gone missing,"
"Upon receiving the declaration on Oct. 10, we first took measures to authenticate it," Fleming said. "Then on Oct. 15, we informed the multinational forces through the U.S. government with the request for it to take any appropriate action in cooperation with Iraq's interim government."
If you want to suspect somebody of manipulating the US elections it has to be the IAEA, right ? :rolleyes: :nuts:
 

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JAMiAM said:
And if there's one thing that is more ridiculous than the obsessive blaming of the Clenis
Clenis...very clever. I do appreciate your ability to ridicuale and scorn all leaders ;)
for the ills of the world, it's the role of the diabloical Queen of Evil that the right wing has cast Hillary into.
C'mon Jam - she is the Queen of Evil!!

And they have the gall say the left is full of conspiracy theory nutjobs... :nuts:
The left does claim the two biggest conspiracy theory nutjobs: Oliver Stone and Michael Moore. :nuts:
 

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Kraut said:
If you want to suspect somebody of manipulating the US elections it has to be the IAEA, right ? :rolleyes: :nuts:
No, not the IAEA - it's the elitist, left wing, tree hugging, girliemen of the mainstream US media. The IAEA, UN and DNC are just their lap dogs!!! :clap:
 

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Clenis...very clever. I do appreciate your ability to ridicuale and scorn all leaders ;)
I'm an equal opportunity annoyer. Just wait until Kerry wins the election. I'll be biting at his heels too. Unless, GWB pulls an October Surprise, in which case, four more years... :devil:

In the meanwhile, since he's the one on the pedestal...push!

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C'mon Jam - she is the Queen of Evil!!
Nah...Hillary is more like the fairy godmother of twisted, smother-nannies. Now, Barb, on the other hand, she gives me the willies... :freak:

The Doctor said:
The left does claim the two biggest conspiracy theory nutjobs: Oliver Stone and Michael Moore. :nuts:
They're no worse than most on the right. They've just had the good fortune to have been able to turn a buck at the practice. That should be something that any capitalist should be able to appreciate. :p
 

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Bush 53 Kerry 47 +/-2 Popular Vote
Bush 320 Kerry 218 Electoral
R's will gain 1-3 Senate Seats (maybe 7 if coat tails form)

Be ready to annoy the R's for four more years :p :bounce: :clap:
 
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