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Do you have Bayonet Strength in your bookmarks? I goes down to the battalion level, often taking its authorised strength informations right from German official documents.
The May 1940 Campaign Scenario design
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jlbetin
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Comme quoi !!!
It is from this book I choose the name !!!
Now to continue on this scenario, what kind of Theater Option could be set
A) French at their best
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De Gaulles Dream, it implies that we got 3 to 4 DCR sized as De Gaulles wanted them to be. But No extension of Maginot line. Maginot Line stay as it was in May 1940.
The war production is one year ahead, it means that in September 1939 we reach the May-June 40 production level. The French GQG is accepting the extensive use of Radio (remember K.H. Frizer book 1600 radio operator in French army 3000 in German one), this will be reflected in the TOAW Force Formation Communication level which will be equal to the german one.
The training level of B level division (55 and 71 DI by instance) is set intensively and reach (more or less) the level A divisions.
The weapons are sent to 1st line units and not keept in rear depots and war schools, the soldier there are not behaving as stupid civil servant that may refuse a huge production of admunition because the speed testing shows a difference of 1 meter /second.
French begins to understand air/soil cooperation and then the air units are no more localized per area but devoted to front line (more fighters on front line)
Still following Friezer's book, Gnl Lafontaine do not waste time in searching written orders so French counter attack at Bulson ridge began the 13th on the evening (turn 3 of the scenario rather than on turn 5)
Lafontaine has lost 15 hours !!!
To be continued
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It's true. Frieser says so, and the German code name was "Fall Gelb".
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To continue about Theater options
A) French at their best (contin.)
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Despite the pressure of Brits, the French Breda option is dropped out, the BEF must protect the North Front but receives UK units removed from Norway, the 7th Army is put in reserve position in Belgium
The 13th of May General Huntziger do not move back his troops toward Inor, not creating the 20 km gap where in real Germans poored troops
At last the 3DCR and 3rd DIM counter attack is launched:
if the General Lafontaine did it right the counter attack could occur directly against Sedan from Bulson ridge or nearby.
And obviously Gamelin is out of the command process, Gnl George took the command the command capacity is high
B) French So So
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No De Gaulles dream DCR,
war production works as it was in real, but weapons go directly on 1st Line units.
Communication level is bad
B divisions are not trained
Lafontaine doing right on the 13th is random
Hunziger moving back is random
More fighters on 1st line is random
Counter attack of the 3rd DCR and 3rd DIM is Random but if not launched then units would stay garrisoned south of Stonne without entering the fight except if German player is stupid !! (Stonne fights occured between the 15th and 17th. Friezer called it the Verdun of 1940)
C) French as it was
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No De Gaulles dream DCR,
war production works as it was in real,
Breda Option is run
Lot lot of weapons and admunitions were kept in rear areas or exported !!.
Communication level is bad
B divisions are not trained
Lafontaine was running for written orders (2 full turn losts and German tanks enter the fights at Bulson)
Hunziger moving back 3rd DINA to Innor opening wide the Gap for Germans.
Counter attack of 3 DCR and 3 DIM is blocked and divisions stay garrisoned south of Stonne
What do you think about those options budies
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A) French at their best (contin.)
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Despite the pressure of Brits, the French Breda option is dropped out, the BEF must protect the North Front but receives UK units removed from Norway, the 7th Army is put in reserve position in Belgium
The 13th of May General Huntziger do not move back his troops toward Inor, not creating the 20 km gap where in real Germans poored troops
At last the 3DCR and 3rd DIM counter attack is launched:
if the General Lafontaine did it right the counter attack could occur directly against Sedan from Bulson ridge or nearby.
And obviously Gamelin is out of the command process, Gnl George took the command the command capacity is high
B) French So So
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No De Gaulles dream DCR,
war production works as it was in real, but weapons go directly on 1st Line units.
Communication level is bad
B divisions are not trained
Lafontaine doing right on the 13th is random
Hunziger moving back is random
More fighters on 1st line is random
Counter attack of the 3rd DCR and 3rd DIM is Random but if not launched then units would stay garrisoned south of Stonne without entering the fight except if German player is stupid !! (Stonne fights occured between the 15th and 17th. Friezer called it the Verdun of 1940)
C) French as it was
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No De Gaulles dream DCR,
war production works as it was in real,
Breda Option is run
Lot lot of weapons and admunitions were kept in rear areas or exported !!.
Communication level is bad
B divisions are not trained
Lafontaine was running for written orders (2 full turn losts and German tanks enter the fights at Bulson)
Hunziger moving back 3rd DINA to Innor opening wide the Gap for Germans.
Counter attack of 3 DCR and 3 DIM is blocked and divisions stay garrisoned south of Stonne
What do you think about those options budies
Der WanderMay1940IKnowSome
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Now lets have some option with our Belgium Friends
Belgium best
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Full cooperation with Allies Headquarter and forces
The 2 Chasseurs Ardennais divisions do not leave the Ardennes area and are put under French command along with their Cavalry division.
The fortifications near the Dyle river are completed and hold waiting for French units.
B level divisions are well trained
Lot of AMC tanks sold and delivered on time (100) to Belgium army, they got an armored division
Not So So
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Belgium as it was
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The ardennes were not defended by the Chasseurs Ardennais who move toward Namur
No Armored division
Here I'm for Belgium but Viridomaros would like to add some
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Belgium best
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Full cooperation with Allies Headquarter and forces
The 2 Chasseurs Ardennais divisions do not leave the Ardennes area and are put under French command along with their Cavalry division.
The fortifications near the Dyle river are completed and hold waiting for French units.
B level divisions are well trained
Lot of AMC tanks sold and delivered on time (100) to Belgium army, they got an armored division
Not So So
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Belgium as it was
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The ardennes were not defended by the Chasseurs Ardennais who move toward Namur
No Armored division
Here I'm for Belgium but Viridomaros would like to add some
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Look at UK Best
UK Best
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-UK mobilize troops more quickly, 1 infantry division more for BEF
-More Tank produced during the phoney war -> 1 Armored division more for BEF
-Obliged to fulfill themselves the original Breda option of General Gamelin, UK High command is obliged to divert troops from Norway in emergency, they received the too UK division set in the Maginot Line system, the 51 Highland
- At least 4 more Spitfire squadrons sent in France
UK So So
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Breda option under UK command receive more troops from Norway
UK as real
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French follows Breda option the BEF is in the middle of Belgium front line.
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UK Best
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-UK mobilize troops more quickly, 1 infantry division more for BEF
-More Tank produced during the phoney war -> 1 Armored division more for BEF
-Obliged to fulfill themselves the original Breda option of General Gamelin, UK High command is obliged to divert troops from Norway in emergency, they received the too UK division set in the Maginot Line system, the 51 Highland
- At least 4 more Spitfire squadrons sent in France
UK So So
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Breda option under UK command receive more troops from Norway
UK as real
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French follows Breda option the BEF is in the middle of Belgium front line.
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interessant.
For the option A) French at their best (contin.)
Reducted 7th army near Maubeuge, behind the 1rst army. Keep only 1 french corps near Antwerp (1DIM + 1DI) to reinforce the belges.
The first “Grp Cuirasse” (2 and 3 DCR) station nearer from Belgium or Sedan.
6th army reacting earlier (Suisse Option rejected with the offensive). IRL, The 6th troops were used to man the Somme’s line. Earlier, it could be use to aliment the Meuse battle.
The Chasseur Ardennais division retreating south and not North, allowing more fight in the Ardennes, giving lots of good results (tiredness of German units, more time before the fight on the Meuse, …)
Cavalery troop reacting earlier to enter in Arlon and Luxembourg (same as the Chasseur Ardennais Division).
Try to avoid the change of Supreme Commander in May. Gamelin stay for all the fight.
Or Weygand taking the place in the Winter (age limit).
take 2 DI from the Levant Army to reinforce France in the Winter.
And nevermind a better use of the French Air force due to a better coordination (radio)
For the option A) French at their best (contin.)
Reducted 7th army near Maubeuge, behind the 1rst army. Keep only 1 french corps near Antwerp (1DIM + 1DI) to reinforce the belges.
The first “Grp Cuirasse” (2 and 3 DCR) station nearer from Belgium or Sedan.
6th army reacting earlier (Suisse Option rejected with the offensive). IRL, The 6th troops were used to man the Somme’s line. Earlier, it could be use to aliment the Meuse battle.
The Chasseur Ardennais division retreating south and not North, allowing more fight in the Ardennes, giving lots of good results (tiredness of German units, more time before the fight on the Meuse, …)
Cavalery troop reacting earlier to enter in Arlon and Luxembourg (same as the Chasseur Ardennais Division).
Try to avoid the change of Supreme Commander in May. Gamelin stay for all the fight.
Or Weygand taking the place in the Winter (age limit).
take 2 DI from the Levant Army to reinforce France in the Winter.
And nevermind a better use of the French Air force due to a better coordination (radio)
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IRL :
only 1 ChD was in the Ardennes
The Cavalery Division was a light Armor Division. Lacking only Medium tank.
More than AMC, I think the french army would have build and sold H39 tank.
For Eben Mael, all the bridges are destructed, needing time to be repaired by the German Genie
A more aggressive British Navy to protect the Belgium coast with shore bombardment. Helping the Coast Wing of the Army. Losing more boat doing that.
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For French A option
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R35 are half replaced by R40 (better gun 37mmSA38)
H35 are replaced by H39 (better gun 37mmSA38)
Laffly W15T (47mm wheeled AT vehicle) is produced in great number and enter the DIM and DCR
All 47 batteries are towed, no more horse moved
No more Horse cavalry units in DLC GRDI GRCA ) except Moroccan Spahis Brigades in charge of the Ardennes forest area, horses are replaced by AMR or motocycles.
In DIM DCR DLM DLC no more horses for guns or supply delivery all is motorized and towed.
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R35 are half replaced by R40 (better gun 37mmSA38)
H35 are replaced by H39 (better gun 37mmSA38)
Laffly W15T (47mm wheeled AT vehicle) is produced in great number and enter the DIM and DCR
All 47 batteries are towed, no more horse moved
No more Horse cavalry units in DLC GRDI GRCA ) except Moroccan Spahis Brigades in charge of the Ardennes forest area, horses are replaced by AMR or motocycles.
In DIM DCR DLM DLC no more horses for guns or supply delivery all is motorized and towed.
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Three options for the French, two for the Belgian, three for the British: if I'm not mistaken, wouldn't that make something close to 18 different possible settings for the scenario, not counting eventual German variants? It'd probably be easier, both on the designer and on the players, to have a single set of variants per side, i.e. France, Belgium and the U.K. at their best, so so and as they were and maybe a couple of variants for the Germans.
Providing players with options is all right, but I'm leery of scenarios with too many a combination in terms of force settings, leading to weird results in terms of gameplay - not to speak of the serious workload thoroughly playtesting every possible combination will entail.
Worth around 0.02 €
Providing players with options is all right, but I'm leery of scenarios with too many a combination in terms of force settings, leading to weird results in terms of gameplay - not to speak of the serious workload thoroughly playtesting every possible combination will entail.
Worth around 0.02 €
Add more D2 tank as interim equipment. It was not so bad (a S35 in worse).
Keep the H35 in DI as tank company (with the gun 37mmSA38, the turrel was designed for)
Laffly W15T (47mm wheeled AT vehicle) with chenillette Lorraine equiped with a 25mm AC.
AC and light AA batteries are towed before the ART batteries (horse moved)
DLC divides in DC (mot) and DC (horse) waiting more equipment.
regroup in Motor Corps the DLM, DIM and DCR.
GRDI GRCA are reconnaissance Bataillon. Used sometime as mechanized unit to cover the mass of the unit.
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More motorization would be good.
a few company of autoCanon (75mm on truck or a tractor, not a STUG more a Buffa).
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Yeap I thought about this one to, it was a real surprise for the belgium troops of the fort they were not in defense mode when the german launched the attack and the fort commander did not got the right to fire on the bridges he was obliged to get orders from HQ, orders he never get.
It could delay part of the germans armoured forces 12 hours. But it would have few interest as Allies strategy was based on a defensive battle round the Dyle line.
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Infantery ideal :
Add more HMG in the TOE of the infantery company.
Accelerate the introduction of the MP (used in the corps Francs)
Better training of the infantery : use of cover while moving, train to defend again tank.
Add more HMG in the TOE of the infantery company.
Accelerate the introduction of the MP (used in the corps Francs)
Better training of the infantery : use of cover while moving, train to defend again tank.
This time would give more time to install the defense at Gembloux. And the Corps de Cavalery would be intact to be use in the south (not losing 1/2 of this tanks).
And the belgium could stand behind the river.
After the Meuse Battle, lots of french unit fought in movement, loosing the utility of their artillery.
No need of Stugs, we already have B1-Bis.
The 155 mm GPFT is the tracted version of the 155 mm GPF. It can be tracted at 30 km/h instead of 10 for the GPF. A good gun for RALCs.
The Taz 39 is a Multi purpose Gun with an amazing range of 14km . A good gun too.
Another good one for RALDs : 105 mm L36
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All theses canons/howlitzer were goods. But they need lots of time to be ready to fight. An autocanon, with the canon on a truck/pickup would be ready in less than a minute.
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