Tuomo
Keeper of the Funk
Apropos of nothing...
I originate from a region where the terrain is such that as a soldier you would be darned glad to have an irrigation ditch to take cover in due to otherwise flat and open ground.
Exactly. Roads with ditches on either side seem to be a very different kind of terrain than roads without. And they're everywhere. So I'm wondering why they haven't been used anywhere. The artwork would be easy and obvious. And so, if the community thinks it would be useful/interesting, it'd be worth exploring.What I often thought could be interesting, is an SSR saying that roads have ditches on their side...
I'm not even sure artwork is necessary, just go the SSR route. Can't wait to bottom out my armored car crossing an intersection like I did my car in Texas before I realized they don't have storm sewers but just put gullies across the road to channel rain water.Huh. Glad I asked the question, because I did not anticipate these results.
My main driver was echoed by JR and Robin:
Exactly. Roads with ditches on either side seem to be a very different kind of terrain than roads without. And they're everywhere. So I'm wondering why they haven't been used anywhere. The artwork would be easy and obvious. And so, if the community thinks it would be useful/interesting, it'd be worth exploring.
Perhaps as an SSR. Such-and-such roads are Ditched. (Have Side Ditches?) No extra cost to Infantry, some minor extra cost to vehicles (depending on their type) when entering the hex via a non-road hexside, etc. Basically the same TEM effect as Shellholes, so I guess we could just use the Shellhole Infantry MF cost.
You could even Flood them when appropriate.
My guess would be the following:Exactly. Roads with ditches on either side seem to be a very different kind of terrain than roads without. And they're everywhere. So I'm wondering why they haven't been used anywhere. The artwork would be easy and obvious. And so, if the community thinks it would be useful/interesting, it'd be worth exploring.
That may be true for Ireland, Britain and places like Normandy. Many years ago I was driven through N. France mainly via minor roads and was quite surprised with the lack of ditches more than 6"-9" deep and all having extremely shallow sides. They might bog some low riding cars, but little else. While photos might not capture subtle but ... awkward ... roadside troughs, but it seems to me that areas like Ukraine similarly often lack significant roadside ditches.Exactly. Roads with ditches on either side seem to be a very different kind of terrain than roads without. And they're everywhere.
Fah. We all know that "Open Ground" isn't really flat, and The Framers might not have felt like this flavor of road was worth capturing as a special on-map terrain type or even mentioning in the rulebook as a quickie SSR-able option. But given how ubiquitous they are, how easily they could be fit into the system via the Shellhole rules, and how readily they could be injected into Chapter B via SSR or drawn on the map, it sure seems like low-hanging fruit for situations that warrant them. Panjis, these ain't.So probably, there is no such terrain type as "Irrigation Ditch Road" as to avoid the abovementioned issues
This...A well crafted SSR should do just fine.I'm not even sure artwork is necessary, just go the SSR route. Can't wait to bottom out my armored car crossing an intersection like I did my car in Texas before I realized they don't have storm sewers but just put gullies across the road to channel rain water.
Yes, exactly.The polder ditches are much more substantial than the average roadside ditch. The average roadside ditch is part-and-parcel of ordinary open ground. This is polder with irritation ditches:
I'd think that Irrigation Dichtes so far in ASL seem to neither represent those polders shown in your picture nor the usual road-side ditch.The polder ditches are much more substantial than the average roadside ditch. The average roadside ditch is part-and-parcel of ordinary open ground. This is polder with irritation ditches:
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JR
One chapter further on from swamp brings you to G8 Rice Paddies which is probably closer to it. G8.12 in particular.I'd think that Irrigation Dichtes so far in ASL seem to neither represent those polders shown in your picture nor the usual road-side ditch.
Those polders would be technically better represented by ASL Swamp, though you might not be sinking in on the meadow parts of a polder as in actual swamp.
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