I thought that was the Italian model?Originally posted by PvtManaCoB3MD
You nailed it! :laugh:
except you left out lvl 5: enter onto the side of the victor at the last minute so you can "claim" you "did" something!
You must have been there before. I was once, and it took me six weeks to delouse.When Dr. S. is in power, France is mine (imagine hideous laugh):scream: :scream: :scream: :scream: :scream:Originally posted by Joisey
Level One: Hide
Level Two: Run
Level Three: Surrender
Level Four: Colloborate
I thought the Italian model was to run away from the advancing army and then claim that you were "leading" the advance!Originally posted by RStory
I thought that was the Italian model?
As you mention the French have produced some fine military men. Lord knows Napoleon has been studied more in depth that possibly any other historical leader.Originally posted by Churchill
For military men, a lot of you have very selective memory. The French had powerful military forces with elan centuries before you and the American military became a dream in Washington's eye. From Clovis all the way up to De Gaulle, the French have shown that they know how to fight.
I am amazed the limit of your knowledge of military science and history. You talk about guts....but you never went over the top at Verdun. You talk about guts but you never walked beside some Brit at the Somme, or even the jarheads at Chateau Thierry. Maybe some of you have forgotten, but Frenchmen took the other redoubt at Yorktown. The reduction of Colmar pocket was done primarily by French arms. You look at their defeats, and God knows that, just like us, they've had their share. Gravelot, Sedan, Crecy, Agincourt, Dienbeinphu, just to name a few. But then we've had the Bladenburg Races, or the Surrender of Detroit to think about.
For a web site dedicated to soldiers, sailors and airmen a bit of objectivity might be in order. As to terrorism, the French were fighting it long before we ever woke up to the fact that certain Islamic groups have a grudge against the West. Considering their resources, then and now, they've done a pretty good job of protecting their country.... can you say the same for us.
Agreed - the French of today are not the same as the French of the past. I think everyone is aware of my views on the matter.Originally posted by Lance Williams
As you mention the French have produced some fine military men. Lord knows Napoleon has been studied more in depth that possibly any other historical leader.
I don't think the comments seen in these forums are directed at the historical figures you mention, but more at the present day French who seem to forget who bailed out their collective butts in two World Wars, the second of which probably would never have occurred if said French were not so harsh in the terms they demanded of the Germans in the Treaty of Versailles.
I assume your comments are directed at me as I was the last one to post derision re' the French - in which case I am of course obliged to point out that I am not speaking as an American, but as an Englishman.Originally posted by Churchill
Hogwash! The French soldier of today is made up of exactly the same mettle that took his great grandfather over the top at Verdun, or the Battle of the Marne, or on the Field of Eylau. To claim otherwise is to deny that those minutemen at Lexington and Concord were not cut from the same cloth of those who stood their ground on Corregidor or Bataan, Bastogne, or Hamburger Hill. This silly idea that the nature of war and warriors changes is just that. Technology changes but not the guts to look em in the eye. Given the right leadership the French fight well, as do the Germans, the Brits, even the Italians. We have a jaudiced view because we've been allowed to view the world in our own rose colored glasses...Gentlemen, contrary to what you might think...the world did not start in 1776!
Secondly get over this simplistic idea that "we bailed them out". If that was the case then we sure as hell bided our time to do it. Did we dispatch forces in l939. Did America send fleets of bombers as Dalidier requested.....hell no. We sat quietly, alledgedly neutral while Hitler gobbled up most of Europe. When we finally entered the war it was not to bail out the French, or the British, or the Danes, etc, etc, etc, it was to put an end to Nazi tryanny in Europe and Japanese aggression in the Pacific that threatened OUR way of life. So stop patting yourself on the back when no congratulations are in order. Your forebears did what they had to do...nothing more nothing less. You don't get medals for doing your job. Just because America's military stand pretty close to the top of the heap doesn't mean you have the right to demean the honor and dignity of other forces across the world. Its dishonest and its self-serving. Grow up!
I know what you are trying to say, but I must respectfully disagree.Originally posted by Churchill
As to the French Armed Forces today...they are as good as their leadership. Like Great Britain, France has been seeking its place in the world in an age of technological murder. The limits of power are the limits of resources applied to an end. Just as Britain has regiments of great skill and daring... so too do the French. While their current political leadership appears to have taken the pages from Liddel-Hart to address the obvious disparity between America and Europe (say France) the culmination of near fifity years of political struggle have not rendered the French Republic impotent. You say they lack the heart....the heart is driven by the soul, and France has a very deep soul.