- Feb 14, 2010
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- United Kingdom
It's difficult supporting something that doesn't exist and never did and any coherently workable form (look no further than the May plan, the biggest parliamentary defeat in history), but your last sentence describes Brexiters perfectly. It might have been a good idea to debate and agree on a plan before triggering article 50, but they didn't. May presented her red lines at the Lancaster house speech in 2017 without discussing them with anybody other than her unelected SPAD, Nick Timothy.Whether Brexit was a good idea or not is one thing, and I personally was skeptical about its overall benefits. That said, it does seem obvious, from the perspective of an outside observer, that some people who opposed it are now working as hard as they can to help ensure it becomes a disaster.
It didn’t have to be this way. But it seems this is the trend of modern politics everywhere. Instead of simply admitting that the vote didn’t go their way and then working to help the new policy become a success for the whole country, people would rather spike the process and ensure it fails. Then the other side retaliates, and on and on we go.
If people can’t have their way, they’d rather burn down the house.
Which again, isn't Labour's fault, it's the Tory's.If the Labour didecwould say what they would support, we might get a workable majority for a deal. As it is, they have made it clear that they would vote against anything. There is no possibility of the conservatives gaining a commons majority for anything.
I don't buy it.And according to this conservative (and former Trotskyite), Tory incompetence on this file stretches back decades. But New Labour played a fatal role too.
I don't think anyone is arguing that.This is 100% David Cameron and Teresa May. No-one else. They're entirely responsible.
I think that's in the play book of most politicos.By the way. It's a typical Tory trick this attempt to dilute and spread blame because it's all gone tits up. They did similar during the time of their coalition. Everything good "Tory" everything bad "Lib Dem" everything they wanted to do but couldn't manage "Lib Dem hampered us".
Ahh... the BBC (more recently known as the Brexit Broadcasting Company due to their neutral stance and probing interviews). Well it must be true then ;-)I don't think anyone is arguing that.
I think that's in the play book of most politicos.
The doco (which first aired on BBC 4 in 2005) provides a historical overview of how the UK got so deeply mired in the EU. The Tories deserve the lion's share of the blame, but New Labour is far from innocent. Had both parties resisted Brussels' solicitations more earnestly, the Union might be in a better position than it currently is, the irresponsible antics of today's Conservative Party notwithstanding.
Terrible though this is, it needs to viewed as part of the recent historical attacks and bombings:I see N. Ireland has gone bang! Nobody dead in Derry, but Brexit hasn't even started. Unfortunately my fears about its impact have proved correct.
Hmmm. I had always thought that the BBC was left-leaning like the CBC. I also had the impression that the charge for Brexit was characterized as being led from the right. The doco was more to do with the history of the UK and EU relationship, than with making a case for Brexit. Did Brexit have a strong following in 2005?Ahh... the BBC (more recently known as the Brexit Broadcasting Company due to their neutral stance and probing interviews). Well it must be true then ;-)
For the record, did the referendum pose that question?.... 48% don't think the UK was deeply mired in the EU, just for the record.
I listened to his first lecture last year. Thanks for alerting me to the second. Watched about half of it before SWMBO got home. WIll watch rest tomorrow.You will find hardly anything worth reading in relation to Brexit in the UK mainstream media, at least nothing that is informed or has undergone a rudimentary fact check. I would, however, recommend catching up on Sir Ivan Rogers' two most recent speeches, well worth listening to.