The British European Referendum

Should Britain leave the EU?


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I see Dominic Cummins ... sorry Tovarisch Cummins has something to answer with regard to his leave campaign breaching electoral finance laws. Hmmm, a case of deja vu all over again, I seem to vaguely remember a certain Micky ... sorry ... Michael Cohen with his unindited co-conspirator #1 (King Spanky I) going down for similar reasons. Of course your wild haired blob is the paragon of transparency by sitting his fat arse on the disUK's report on Russian interference in the disUK's elections. Blojob and Spanky have just had a long conversation, most likely on the topic "You can suppress reports and ignore whistle blowers?, Really, Wow!, I must move to England.".
 

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Johnson on Northern Ireland:

“Actually, Northern Ireland has got a great deal. You keep free movement, you keep access to the single market and, as it says in the deal, unfettered access to the UK,”

Yup, you read it correctly. Free movement and access to the single market is a great deal.
 

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Daniel Hannan, 2015: "That idea that car manufacturers might disinvest after we leave the EU? It's a - what's the word? - oh yes. Lie."


Elon Musk, 2019: "Brexit made it too risky to put a Gigafactory in the UK,"

Project Fear, innit.
 

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Farage's decision to pull out from tory constituencies probably secures a sizeable majority at the commons.
 

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Farage's decision to pull out from tory constituencies probably secures a sizeable majority at the commons.
He hasn’t pulled out of the marginals. If he isn’t contesting safe tory seats how does that translate into a majority? He’s also trousered £300k in the process. The penny will drop at some point with his gullible followers
 

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Daniel Hannan, 2015: "That idea that car manufacturers might disinvest after we leave the EU? It's a - what's the word? - oh yes. Lie."


Elon Musk, 2019: "Brexit made it too risky to put a Gigafactory in the UK,"

Project Fear, innit.
In fact, Elon Musk has made a surprise announcement that the first Gigafactory in Europe will be built in the Berlin area yesterday.
 

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In fact, Elon Musk has made a surprise announcement that the first Gigafactory in Europe will be built in the Berlin area yesterday.
Indeed, no surprise at all to those who carried out even the most rudimentary research into the longer term economic consequences of voting to leave the single market.
 

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According to the Times, all CONS candidates are on the leave side, ie either the remainers have been purged or decided not to seek another term.
 

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According to the Times, all CONS candidates are on the leave side, ie either the remainers have been purged or decided not to seek another term.
‘According to the times...’ mistake number one. The times is a Tory propaganda rag, almost anything written in that paper regarding Brexit can be safely dismissed as at best misleading or deliberate misinformation. It’s the Daily Mail with a set of cuff links and a nice watch 😂
 

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‘According to the times...’ mistake number one. The times is a Tory propaganda rag, almost anything written in that paper regarding Brexit can be safely dismissed as at best misleading or deliberate misinformation. It’s the Daily Mail with a set of cuff links and a nice watch 😂
As you know, it's fairly hard to find quality in today's papers.

 

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BBC must have bussed every gulag wanker in town to fill up the audience, anyhow, they did not managed to murder Boxer on the animal farm this time.

 

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I think if we leave the EU, it should be from a position of strength, not as the continent is teetering on the precipice of another recession, a migration crisis and the Russian bear at the door.
Then you’ll never leave. There will always be either real or manufactured crisis’. Maybe those problems are easier to deal with unilaterally. If one finds the UK government loathsome, why would Brussels be any different? Do you really need more?
 

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BBC must have bussed every gulag wanker in town to fill up the audience, anyhow, they did not managed to murder Boxer on the animal farm this time.

A big fraud supports a big fraud.

Who'd have seen that coming ?

How are the new packs, Valor of the Hordes and Crimson Barricades coming along? Must be due for release by now?
 
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Chris Grey, on “Getting Brexit Done” well worth a read

What would it mean for remainers?

The latter points to the really mendacious and myopic part of Johnson’s formulation: the idea that getting Brexit done, even in the limited sense that he means it, will result in “the whole nation” experiencing it in the same way. A huge number of people will experience 31 January as a day of disappointment, regret and anxiety. For some, it will be far worse - a day of total, unmitigated despair, the end point of all their hopes, and a disaster and tragedy for their country.

Johnson is not even trying to reach out to such people. Yet the reality of Brexit – for all the talk of honouring democracy – is that it will be, perhaps uniquely in modern democratic politics, a complete re-set of national policy undertaken against what, according to the opinion polls for a long time now, the majority of the country actually now wants.

From this perspective, it really is not clear what kind of country Johnson and his party think they will be governing or even if they much care. Yes, they will have won the election but, as the Referendum itself should have showed them, just winning a vote on a particular day is only the beginning. Dragging the whole country to a future most of the population now think ill-advised at best and catastrophic at worst, is not a recipe for a ‘feeling for relief’ nor for creating ‘a nation moving forward’.

This is all the more true in the very peculiar circumstances of Brexit because, as the demographics of the Referendum vote and the statements of various representative bodies show, leaving the EU was generally not the choice of the economically active, of business people, of professionals, of the scientists and the entrepreneurs, of the TUC, of civil society bodies, and so on. Of course these can all be derided as “the elite” and, of course, in a democracy no one’s vote should count more than anyone else’s. But in the situation of trying to forge a post-Brexit future it might be considered prudent to try to bring such people with you. In any case, the majority of Scotland and Northern Ireland Referendum voters can hardly be dismissed as the elite, and no accommodation has been sought with those, either.
 
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