The British European Referendum

Should Britain leave the EU?


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Martin Mayers

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Never seems to stop most from talking about American politics or is the US really so dominant in your lives? -- jim
Who's stopping him commenting??

All I said is that it's easy to say "gamble" when it's other people's money that's being gambled. Right ?
 

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Who's stopping him commenting??

All I said is that it's easy to say "gamble" when it's other people's money that's being gambled. Right ?
I didn't say you were stopping him from talking, I was more commenting that a lot of people with no skin in the game comment on American politics all the time. As you said, it's easy when it's other people's money. All of that to say, we are in agreement philosophically. -- jim
 

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Ok, you’re argumentive irishman, I was talking to Toby about Brexit and what a good idea it is.
Hey Bob! I do hope we eventually manage to leave the EU. The problem is that there are dark, anti-democratic forces at work here who never accepted the legitimacy of the referendum and are determined to overturn it.
I pray the will of the people prevails.
 

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I know this was said mostly in sarcasm, but it isn't far from the truth either. At least for now. -- jim
I don't think it was said in sarcasm at all. It is very much a matter of fact. It is also why the US has to be careful in what it does lest it foment an unjustified but real resentment.
 

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Hey Bob! I do hope we eventually manage to leave the EU. The problem is that there are dark, anti-democratic forces at work here who never accepted the legitimacy of the referendum and are determined to overturn it.
I pray the will of the people prevails.
You had it...all you needed was the loony Tory's to persuade their loony Tory 'allies' to vote it through.

Had it...and lost it.

No-one else's fault but the Tories.
 
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I know this was said mostly in sarcasm, but it isn't far from the truth either. At least for now. -- jim
Definitely not in sarcasm, a simple statement of fact. Phrases like "The US sneezes, the World catches cold." come to mind. It's not just military or economic power, much of modern Western culture came from the US. The fact that the US government is exhibiting the chaos and internal infighting worthy of a feudal court and is directed by an erratic individual that would have made Khrushchev seem positively funereal is a source of concern to the rest of the inhabitants of this planet. Prior to Spanky my main worry would have been about the likes of Putin or Pakistan. Sure, the likes of Palin garnered a giggle or two from me, but Spanky has dialled my serious interest in US politics to 11.

Of course our common use of English facilitates all this. Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the UK (prior to Brexit) were quite boring in comparison. Brexit UK is just tragic, without the lighter comedic moments that General Secretary Spanky often provides.
 

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Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the UK (prior to Brexit) were quite boring in comparison. Brexit UK is just tragic, without the lighter comedic moments that General Secretary Spanky often provides.
Do not underestimate the capability of BoJo to surprise "on the upside" for that matter.

 
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Happy Independence Day to our American cousins! Hopefully we'll soon regain our own independence, though some of the arguments being made against it sound very similar...

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We are not an empire, or if we are, we're pretty shitty at it. Conquer all of Europe, spend billions re-building it, give it all back but for the cemeteries to bury our dead. Same for the far east. You would think we would have learned better from our parent nation. -- jim
 

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We are not an empire, or if we are, we're pretty shitty at it. Conquer all of Europe, spend billions re-building it, give it all back but for the cemeteries to bury our dead.
I guess a Russian could say the same word for word.
 

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I guess a Russian could say the same word for word.
When we invade Georgia or the Crimea, they can for sure. -- jim

PS: Let's not forget the Russian contribution to reconstruction too.
PPS: and the decades of occupation. The repatriations pulled from eastern Europe. The millions of Germans who died in Gulags and weren't released until well into the 70's. Exactly the same.
 
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I guess a Russian could say the same word for word.
They spent billions re-building Eastern Europe?

I don't think so. They took billions in repatriations and killed anyone who disagreed.
 

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I don't think so. They took billions in repatriations and killed anyone who disagreed.
Don't forget the occupation of the lands they "freed" for communism. That lasted decades. -- jim
 

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You have no skin in the game. You can pretty much think what you want. Nothing that happens will effect you. If it happens and it all works out you can come on and tell us all how right you were. If the opposite happens you can shrug it off and say "it was a good idea".

On the other hand my job, my Pension, and my general well-being is on the front line. It's not a good idea for me and mine, not-least because my company are already in the process of moving their HQ to Frankfurt on Main, which likely means job losses in London, which could possibly filter out into the regions where I am. This is happening right now, on the basis of the possibility of Brexit. What do you seriously think they are going to do if it finally happens? This is Brexit affecting real people.

Do you understand the difference? Whatever happens, you are on the sidelines looking in. If it all goes tits up, my life goes to a large extent down the shitter. If it all works out, I'll be marginally (hardly noticeably) better off...possibly.

Right?

A lot of the people who voted for Brexit of course couldn't give a shit about people like me with my first world problems (decent job, decent pension, aspirations, etc.). They have fuck all, and just want to burn it all down. Basically they want people such as me to be damaged and, ideally, to be dragged down to their level. Course, it's not people like me who has damaged them, but they don't care. They see me pottering around in my motorhome, with my decent but modest house, and think "fuck you", if I can't have that I'm going to do what I can do to make it so you can't either.
Brilliant, Martin, pretty much sums up my views regarding some of the postings by the uninformed ‘seems like good idea’ but I really haven’t looked into it in any detail crowd.
 

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