The Arnhem ASL Tournament is back! September 12-15 2024

[von Marwitz]

The reciprocity would be that if an opponent insists that you must use precision dice you insist that he must use non precision dice.

No, IMHO this should not really be about 'insisting' to impose one's will upon the opponent.
Quite the contrary - in order not be misunderstood, I will clarify:

The reciprocity would be:

I accept whatever dice he wants to use for himself.
He should accept whatever dice I wish to use for myself.

von Marwitz

 

[Actionjick]

No, IMHO this should not really be about 'insisting' to impose one's will upon the opponent.
Quite the contrary - in order not be misunderstood, I will clarify:

The reciprocity would be:

I accept whatever dice he wants to use for himself.
He should accept whatever dice I wish to use for myself.

von Marwitz

Pardon the misunderstanding of your intent.

 

[bendizoid]

What ya do is wait until a crucial DR then declare “ Illegal dice ! I demand a reroll with precision dice !”

 

[carlsson]

Guys, As you may have noticed the registration is now open!

Just point your browser to https://arnhemasl.com/

I'm sorry I haven't been able to answer before, it has been some hectic weeks here, and I also got no notification about updates on this thread.

 

[carlsson]

Regarding Tournament SSR 3: One of the intentions behind this is to speed up play. Everybody can count dots, but if there suddenly is a strange icon, flag, or other kind of stuff you have to pause and understand what it means. At least two other tournaments (Scandinavian Open in Copenhagen and Supporting Fire in Borås) have the same SSR and I think it's perfectly reasonable.
The other reason is that Precision Dice is guaranteed to have 100% weight on all sides. That is a good thing.

And as mentioned, if both players agree that this isn't an issue, it isn't an issue! Play with dice made of cotton if you want to – We are here to have fun!


Regarding Venue (ie Stayokay): We have had some questions about single bed rooms, and we are currently looking into that. There are a lot of alternative hotels nearby. I'd suggest a look at Booking.com.


I'm here to answer more questions (or rant about stupid SSR's if you prefer that).

 

[bendizoid]

That’s right, no skulls or medals, no flags or stars, just pips please. No special Sniper dice, please. For gosh sakes !

 

[STAVKA]

I hate these rules. Not because they aren't fair or I don't agree with them, but because they put the onus on my to be the bad guy. You can use your "not X" dice unless I point out they aren't allowed. If you're a TD and you have the juevos to make such a rule, then enforce it at the door. Don't put the pressure on the players to enforce your pet peeve. Man up and do it yourself or don't make the rule.

Just to be 100% clear: I don't mind the rule, I take exception with the enforcement. Your rule, you be the bad guy. Don't make me be the bad guy. -- jim

Low level arguments, and why complain about these tournament dice rules?

Should I copy your writing and paste it onto several other tournament threads that use tournament dice rules, that you attended but never complained about.

In the many Backgammon tournaments around the world, two precision dice is required and must be rolled into a tumbler, same rule is used in this tournament and other tournaments.

 

[STAVKA]

That’s right, no skulls or medals, no flags or stars, just pips please. No special Sniper dice, please. For gosh sakes !

I meet a player when the symbol had vanished the battleschool d6 side was simply gone-blank-empty , complained about it but the player did not listen and the TD allowed it.

 

[Sparafucil3]

Low level arguments, and why complain about these tournament dice rules?

Should I copy your writing and paste it onto several other tournament threads that use tournament dice rules, that you attended but never complained about.

In the many Backgammon tournaments around the world, two precision dice is required and must be rolled into a tumbler, same rule is used in this tournament and other tournaments.

I am not complaining about the rules Melvin. I am complaining about the enforcement. The TD should walk around and enforce this rule and not make players the bad guy enforcing his rule. At those backgammon tournaments the directors enforce those requirements, not the players, which is what I am commenting on.

FWIW, I said the same thing in person at Supporting Fire to the TDs there. I also spoke with the TD at Bounding Fire about it. Furthermore, I like the rule and I like the requirement. I hate seeing wonky dice on the table. I just don't like being the person stopping someone else's fun because a TD makes me enforce his rules.

As always, this is just my opinion. -- jim

 

[Actionjick]

Regarding Tournament SSR 3: One of the intentions behind this is to speed up play. Everybody can count dots, but if there suddenly is a strange icon, flag, or other kind of stuff you have to pause and understand what it means. At least two other tournaments (Scandinavian Open in Copenhagen and Supporting Fire in Borås) have the same SSR and I think it's perfectly reasonable.
The other reason is that Precision Dice is guaranteed to have 100% weight on all sides. That is a good thing.

And as mentioned, if both players agree that this isn't an issue, it isn't an issue! Play with dice made of cotton if you want to – We are here to have fun!


Regarding Venue (ie Stayokay): We have had some questions about single bed rooms, and we are currently looking into that. There are a lot of alternative hotels nearby. I'd suggest a look at Booking.com.


I'm here to answer more questions (or rant about stupid SSR's if you prefer that).

Thanks for stating your reasoning and objective about this rule. It's not easy organizing and running an event but IMO it is one of the greatest ways players can give back to the game and the community. Well done all of you who undertake such a venture.

TDs make their own rules and that is a good thing as far as I am concerned. It adds variety and distinction. Every tournament having the same rules and format would be rather boring.

As far as tournament rules go you try them and see if people like them or if they are even practical.

At an early Oktoberfest Fish thought that a " mulligan " would be a good idea. Your first loss didn't count towards the weekend tournament. This was when Oktoberfest was a three day event and you were expected to play nine scenarios to qualify for the tournament. That rule didn't make it to the next Oktoberfest.

Good luck with the event I am sure everyone will have an excellent time and thanks to you all for running it.

 

[bprobst]

Regarding Tournament SSR 3: One of the intentions behind this is to speed up play. Everybody can count dots, but if there suddenly is a strange icon, flag, or other kind of stuff you have to pause and understand what it means. At least two other tournaments (Scandinavian Open in Copenhagen and Supporting Fire in Borås) have the same SSR and I think it's perfectly reasonable.
The other reason is that Precision Dice is guaranteed to have 100% weight on all sides. That is a good thing.

The issue I have with the rule is this: who has done the extensive testing to determine that such-and-such dice are acceptable and so-and-so dice are not acceptable?

If the answer is (as I strongly suspect) "no-one has been stupid enough to waste the incredible amount of time required to do that sort of testing" then who the hell thinks they are qualified to make it a rule in the first place?

The corollary question is "who has observed that so-and-so dice are obviously unfair and should not be allowed"? Again, the answer is going to be "no-one" because that would require the observation of the same pair of dice over many, many hundreds of games. A pair of dice that rolls snake-eyes three times in a row is not unbalanced, it's an event well within the limits of normal random chance. If they roll snake-eyes 500 times out of a thousand, well then you've got something to be concerned about -- if it ever happened! (Hint: it's never happened.) [EXC: when playing Jamie Westlake, because he has sold his soul to Satan]

A rule that prohibits something that is never going to happen and can't be proved in any reasonable manner is a bad rule. I don't care how many tournaments use the rule, it's a bad rule.

Now, if the prohibition is actually about strange symbols on the dice -- then (i) it's a completely different argument and should be presented as that, not as a probability/fairness issue! And (ii), surely it's a matter of taste? I don't personally use the BattleSchool dice, but I know lots of people who do, and the percentage by which it has "slowed down the game" could be measured in micro-seconds. I normally use Schwerpunkt dice, which replace the "1" with the Schwerpunkt logo, and which has not been observed to slow down my games by any measurable period of time. Again -- a rule prohibiting something that doesn't happen anyway is not worth the effort of typing up.

The rules that I, personally, am actually rather bothered by are the SSR. Most of them smell strongly of grudge rules -- "I don't think that rule is fair/realistic/I lost a scenario because of that once so the rule must be CHANGED and when I am in charge of everything I will CHANGE IT because I have the power to do that!!!" Grudge rules are the worst kind of house rules, they are lazy and stupid and have no place in a tournament.

 

[STAVKA]

I am not complaining about the rules Melvin. I am complaining about the enforcement. The TD should walk around and enforce this rule and not make players the bad guy enforcing his rule. At those backgammon tournaments the directors enforce those requirements, not the players, which is what I am commenting on.

FWIW, I said the same thing in person at Supporting Fire to the TDs there. I also spoke with the TD at Bounding Fire about it. Furthermore, I like the rule and I like the requirement. I hate seeing wonky dice on the table. I just don't like being the person stopping someone else's fun because a TD makes me enforce his rules.

As always, this is just my opinion. -- jim

Why burden the TD, if a player ask his opponent if he can use his precious dice from the Squad Leader purple Box, I have no problem to enforce the Tournament rule, and forbid them.

 

[STAVKA]

At those backgammon tournaments the directors enforce those requirements, not the players, which is what I am commenting on.

No, Im sure that at all Backgammon tournaments, the TD need not get involved, the players are all aware of the rule. The same goes for all ASL events. Perhaps it happens, but very few times.

Albany and Rimforsa among others have tournament rules about dice. And in a sense I am sure, tournaments that have no rule for it could have issues when banana school dice appear and players start complaining.

Casinoes/backgammon events/streetcorners only allow precision dice and a good number of ASL Tournaments.

 

[Sparafucil3]

Albany and Rimforsa among others have tournament rules about dice. And in a sense I am sure, tournaments that have no rule for it could have issues when banana school dice appear and players start complaining.

I also spoke to the TD in Albany to ask him to enforce the rule as well. -- jim

 

[Mister T]

I also spoke to the TD in Albany to ask him to enforce the rule as well. -- jim

A rule without enforcement is not a rule indeed. It’s guidance at best.

 

[Sparafucil3]

A rule without enforcement is not a rule indeed. It’s guidance at best.

At worst, it makes the player insisting the rule be abided by be the bad guy. Now the TD gets to come buy and says "It isn't me. Your opponent insists." -- jim

 

[bendizoid]

I am not complaining about the rules Melvin. I am complaining about the enforcement. The TD should walk around and enforce this rule and not make players the bad guy enforcing his rule. At those backgammon tournaments the directors enforce those requirements, not the players, which is what I am commenting on.

FWIW, I said the same thing in person at Supporting Fire to the TDs there. I also spoke with the TD at Bounding Fire about it. Furthermore, I like the rule and I like the requirement. I hate seeing wonky dice on the table. I just don't like being the person stopping someone else's fun because a TD makes me enforce his rules.

As always, this is just my opinion. -- jim

Um, isn’t the ‘bad’ guy the one breaking the rules ? Lol

 

[Sparafucil3]

Um, isn’t the ‘bad’ guy the one breaking the rules ? Lol

Ever see a guy vape where he isn't supposed to be? Ever see how pissed off he gets when called on it? Or how they look you in the eye daring you to call them on it? -- jim

 

[davegin]

Ever see a guy vape where he isn't supposed to be? Ever see how pissed off he gets when called on it? Or how they look you in the eye daring you to call them on it? -- jim

Never really noticed.

 

[Ray Woloszyn]

Just to be a smart aleck, will my dice tower have to be TÜV certified? It's all good and I am looking forward to a good time and have registered.