Sunday game. Jutland.

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Total real game length - 5:12.

AAR will be later, i hope.
But here is list of ships lost in battle (from the logs):

Ships sunk:

German:
BC Seydlitz
BC Von Der Tann

CL Regensburg
DD G101
DD G104
DD S36
DD S51
DD V30
DD S34
DD S33
DD V29
DD S35
DD B98
DD B109
DD B110
DD B97
DD G41
DD V44
DD G87
DD G86
DD V69
DD V45
DD V46
DD S50
DD G37
DD S53
DD V71
DD G88
DD V2
DD V4
DD V6
DD V1
DD V3
DD G8
DD G7
DD G10
DD V189


British:
BB King George V
BC Lion

AC Defence
AC Warrior
AC Duke of Edinburgh

CL Active
CL Champion
CL Southampton
CL Birmingham

DD Nestor
FL Faulknor
FL Marksman
DD Nomad
DD Obdurate
DD Nicator
DD Nerissa
DD Turbulent
DD Termagant
DD Lydiard
DD Liberty
DD Landrail
DD Acheron
DD Goshawk
DD Lizard
DD Onslow
DD Unity
DD Magic
DD Michael
DD Mons
DD Maenad
DD Mary Rose
DD Marvel
DD Menace
DD Narwhal
DD Mindful
DD Onslaught
DD Munster
DD Nonsuch
DD Noble
 
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Yes! That sounds like a draw :) I never knew about King George. Shame about Valliant though. Thanks RGreat.
 

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Good game this weekend folks,
Thanks to Anav for hosting and all those who made it, If anyone wants to meet up during the week let me know and lets see if we can arrange a battle.
Thanks again

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Shame my internet connection packed up - I only actually gave one order to my ships and then, when the great moment arrived and the Grand Fleet was about to deploy, ...

Anyway, looked like suprisingly low loss rate for such a big battle.
 

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Game was very intense though.
Infact it was very close to the real Jutland.
Loses are comparable too.
 

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I've heard this epic game lasted about 5 hours and ended after dark. I can't wait to hear the details of the story :).
 

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The following is the KM Fleet Commanders AAR for the Battle of Jutland. Actual Scenario played was "Jutland at 1548" Number of KM players 4. Number of RN Players 5. Duration of the battle about 5 hours and 15 minutes. Battle ended after sunset with visibility gradually decreasing, with the main fleets of both sides out of contact.
In short a 9 player 5 hour battle of Jutland. ACH settings were Cordite OFF, Fragile AP ON. Original game settings were used in every case. Xfire chatrooms were used for secure comms on both sides. Voice chat was not used.

After proceeding South for a time the RN BCF reversed course to apparently open the range, and get astern of the scouting groups. Once there it turned East. The KM forces followed suit to stay engaged with the BCF. Heavy DD and CL Skirmishes occurred during this time. During which the Regensburg was sunk, and Seydlitz blew up.

The Main Body meanwhile reassembled the screen back into fighting units off the Port Bow. Sent the III BS 5th Division (Konigs) ahead at 23 knots to make contact with the fighting and increased fleet speed to 18 knots. The II BS, (the Pre-Dreadnoughts) were not sent home and continued to steam with the fleet. Contact was made with the Scouting Groups on the Starboard Bow as they were heading SE then E and eventually NE. The Main Body of the HSF turned NE and ordered SG1 to take the lead. The BCF at this Point were seen to NE beyond and to Port of SG1. BS1 still in the lead, with 5th BS in rear. They had not yet formed a continuous line of battle.

As the HSF headed NE in pursuit of the BCF, the GF made its appearance off the Port Bow of the KM Battleline. They had formed up into a single Battle line with a tremendous number of escort and screening ships. All headed SE into the left flank of the KM fleet but still out of range. Had the HSF continued to NE the GF could have passed astern of the KM main body. As it was the KM was headed to a point between the GF and the BCF. This was a tactically untenable situation and the KM was forced to turn North, then NW to face the Grand Fleet. At some point during this time Southampton was sunk. Though it remained as a ghost ship and caused some concern to the KM who expended much needed ammo at it as it closed with the BL.

Predictably the BCF tried to take advantage by falling on the German rear where the PD's were located. Indeed 15" shells from the 5th BS started to fall in among these ships as they trailed alone. However the BCF had lost its screen in front and came South without any protection. The allows a series of head on DD attacks on the BCF which effectively shredded its cohesion, broke up its formations again and again. These attacks were made with great determination at the best attack angle possible. Losses to the KM DD's were actually light as they remained under fire for only a brief time. Lion was Torpedoed and eventually sank. Other ships may have been hit. These DD attacks were really exciting, and demonstrate both what DD's can do if handled properly and why screening forces should stay in place.

Meanwhile with the GF closing in, the KM main body was obliged to turn to SW to cut across its Van. For the remainder of the fight fleet course would be W or SW. The II BS (PD's) turned SW on its own to take a position shielded from the GF by the rest of the KM BL. It was still under file from the 5thBS distant of to the East. During this time the Schlesien suffered a rudder casualty and was stuck on cse 180 for a considerable period of time though it eventually recovered and rejoined the fleet. The BCF was kept at bay and disorganized by repeated small DD attacks. The BCF Screen which was off even farther East never got back close enough to stop the KM attacks as the battle headed away from it.

By this time the rear of the German line headed SW, was engaged with the Van of the British line. The RN were NW of the Germans and headed SW to close the range. The British 1st CA came into range and was heavily pounded by the HSF. An unknown number of CA's were sunk. SG1 and SGII had been trying to get in the lead of the BL for the entire battle, but with the fleet making a large circle to the West it never could, and eventually had to fall in astern of the line in an effort to screen the PD's and Nassau's at the rear. In fact the German rear was surrounded on three sides by strong enemy forces and was taking a beating. During this time the Von Der Tann was badly damaged and had to be left behind. It was later sunk.

Here began a tremendous British DD attack on the KM BL The attack came in from the NW into the Starboard side of the KM Battle line. The angle was poor and the attack came in line ahead which allowed defensive fire to concentrate on the leading ships. German DD's were also on hand to engage the British and did so cutting into their right as they came down. Secondary fire from the KM BB's and torpedos from the 4 Nassau's also worked to break up the attack. Finally the SG1 at the rear charged in to screen the BL. RN losses during this attack were very high with at least a dozen DD's sunk and at least one CL (Active). It did however force the entire KM BL to Turn Together South. The only torpedo hit was on Lutzow, which slowed her to 18 knots, but she was able to recover to 20 by sunset.

The reasons for this attack are unclear. It was not a good attack tactically, It is thought here that its purpose was to break up the KM line which in nearly succeeded in doing. The price was very high though. Again this was very exciting, and demonstrated the need for screening ships to stay on station.

By this time in the waning light of day, most German DD's were out of ammo and Torpedo's. Indeed the BC's of SG1 were nearly out of ammo. Light damage was inflicted on every ship in the rear of the KM line. As visibility rapidly dropped the GF now spread out from NW to NE of the retiring HSF was lost of view. Though some skirmishing was still going on it was decided to stop the battle.

It was a draw, but very entertaining and well fought on both sides. The grand tactical maneuvering on the part of the GF was very well done, and gave it the tactical advantage throughout the battle. It forced the HSF to deal with forces on both sides and made a turn toward either flank a very dangerous thing to do. Yet turn it must and all the events of the battle were basically driven by the situation it found itself in and the need to escape. Hats off the architect of this idea. On the other hand (in my view) the CL/DD fighting was done better by the KM who always had ships on hand and in place for every opportunity and emergency. To the great credit of the English however there were many emergencies. I was exhausted by the end of the day. Remained in a virtual coma till bedtime.

Well done to all involved, thanks for coming. Can't wait to try this again.

ANav
 

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2 corrections:
Lutzow was hit by a lucky 15'' salvo from approaching from behind Grand Fleet battle line. Still, she was saved by decreasing visibility and poor angle of shooting availaible for Grand Fleet BL. Lutsow always tried to keep low profile.
And British DD attack come in 2 lines, not 1.

Great AAR. Thanks.

All ships under my command was out of ammo. Well, maybe 1 or 2 destroyers have 1 torpedo and few gun shells left...

1SG indeed have no shells for main guns, and only 100-200 rounds left for secondary batteries.
Von Der Tann go under without a single shell availiable in her magasines, but before that managed to sink one of attacking DD's with her tertiary guns.

She was lost due to prolonged duel 1SG was forced to make with heavy hitting Battleships of 5BS.
 
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Thank you Sir for the detail, and corrections. SG1 had a hard battle indeed. Under the guns of 5thBS and BCS for the entire battle.

Thanks also the list of ships lost which I didn't think to do.

ANav
 

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Sounds like a very exciting game. I'd love to see some screen shots, especially of the map. Before work began interfering with Sunday games, I took screenshots to help me write up my AARs. Shots of the map helped me reconstruct the overall situation and were the closest thing to a track chart available. Of course, BH could put in a good word with Jim and Norm for adding a track chart feature in a future update :D
 

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Very interesting reports. Maybe somebody could draw a rough sketch of a track chart?
No chart/map but a rough description:

The BCF and scouting group meet. The scouting group first closes the gap and then turns south to link up with the HSF.

The HSF deploys to the north east to form a line with the scouting group to its east. The BCF is split between the 5BS and BCF also on the east.

Then the GF comes in from the north west. The HSF stops the chase of the BCF and turns line abreast south. The scouting group follows enclosed between the 5BS and BCF on its east and the light cruiser force on its north west.

The BCF and its destroyers now try to outflank the HSF in the east, while the armoured cruisers and destroyers of the GF try to do a torpedo attack from the north west on the HSF. Both attempts fail, while the HSF continues going south slowly concentrating its forces. The cruiser attack is blasted away by the BBs of the HSF and the outflanking manoeuvre is smothered by a feroscious attack by the german destroyer flotilla (valliant is hit and slows to 17kts and the line is disrupted).

Then sun sets and the battle ends with a fierce skirmish between 5 german cruisers and 4 british cruisers and 2 destroyers.
 

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Hi All,

Abbreviated AAR from the GF Commander (Battlefield Commission courtesy of the Admiral dropping into the ether) Simjockey.

I commanded the Screen and scouting forces running ahead of the GF. Just as the Admiral (Bryn) was about to execute manoeuvres to form the battleline, he disappeared - I was given command and my first thought was OMG! what do I do next. Fortunately the 5BC and BCF were doing sterling work on the right flank of the HSF and maintained a competent running fight during the whole battle, so I could concentrate in forming up the GF to the N of the advancing HSF.

A massive battle line was formed with DD/CL screens, however the skillful commanding of the HSF ensured that the main guns were to be silent until approx. 2hours (1805z) after first contact. At this point it became apparent that such a long battleline would ensure that some ships simply were unable to engage the enemy as they were constantly out of range.

Advance scouting German DDs were chased off by the screening RN ACs, but they came under heavy fire from the lead HSF BBs and were withdrawn North too slowly (co-ordination was a real problem given the size of the forces).

Distribution of fire was less than optimal, however damage was recorded on a large number of the HSF BBs, the heavy ships of the GF were undamaged save one and HMS KGV which blew up within 15 minutes of the GF engaging the HSF.

Flashes from the main guns were soon in evidence indicating a slackening of the available light and the HSF turned SSE to disengage. The GF turned to chase and maintain contact for as long as possible.

A number of DD flotillas has been running to the S to during the main gun duel and would presently have been in an ideal position to have delivered a night torpedo attack, however with one eye on the wall clock, I despatched them to perform a rather desperate torpedo attack in an attempt to disrupt and slow the retreating HSF. As witnessed elsewhere, this failed, however sufficient forces were recalled to maintain a robust screen ahead of the GF as night fell.

A Hurrah! to the gallant sailors and commanders of the 5BS and BCF who maintained a tremendous weight of fire on the enemy and herded him into the jaws of the GF.

The outcome was surprisingly similar to the actual outcome even down to the feeling of having the executioners axe firmly in hand, but being frustratingly unable to deliver the fatal blow to the enemy. At least we didn't lose the war this afternoon and we did hold the field of battle.

Sim.
 

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The only screenshot i got from this battle:

http://www.rgreat.ru/tmp/Jutland/Jutland_Jutland at 1548_8258_seconds.jpg
2560x1600, 1.3mb screenshot.

Situation right after HSF was forced to make first turn to the left in the direction of grand fleet, to avoid 'cross the T' situation.

You can see there rear part of the main HSF formation, 'ghost ship' CL Soughampton and bits of the RN formations.
At the right is the BCF and 5th BS with escort. At the left there are part of the Grand fleet forward scouts.

1SG far in the middle engaged with BCF and 5th BS.

Map:
 
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