Suicide Creek Central....

[jrv]

Hm. I was not aware of this. Could you provide a rules reference?

That "yes" is meant for the "can a SW set up unpossesed" question. Is that the thing of which you were unaware? The rules reference is just that the RG can set up, and that SW need not be possessed.

The other question, do SW have to set up with the owning RG, is more complicated. After entry/setup, the answer is, "no;" there is no "ownership" of SW. I said I believed that by Q&A from other CGs indicate that the SW of a RG must set up/enter initially with their own RG. It turns out that in SC, RG5 has, "Equipment of a just purchased RG must initially be possessed by a unit of that RG," so in SC the answer is clear, and technically the SW cannot set up unpossessed initially. There probably isn't a good reason to enforce the requirement to set up possessed in that last case, but it's there.

JR

 

[von Marwitz]

That "yes" is meant for the "can a SW set up unpossesed" question. Is that the thing of which you were unaware? The rules reference is just that the RG can set up, and that SW need not be possessed.

My question was referring to the "can a SW set up unpossessed" part. Does that only apply to Suicide Creed or ASL in general?

von Marwitz

 

[jrv]

My question was referring to the "can a SW set up unpossessed" part. Does that only apply to Suicide Creed or ASL in general?

It applies to ASL in general. In SC there is an EXC: a newly-arriving weapon must set up possessed, and possessed by a member of its original RG. ASLSK also requires that SW set up possessed (4.0).

JR

 

[Zugführer]

What is the Depth (B 20.4) of the stream in SC?

I cannot find it in Z and according to B 20.4 if undefined by SSR a stream is considered to be shallow. So, the entry costs for Infantry would be 3 MF (see B 20.42).

Infantry enter a stream-JD at a cost of 5 MF (see Z SC 3.3). Because entering a non-stream JD cost 3 MF (see Z SC 2.4), I don't understand why the entry costs of a stream-JD are 5 MF, when the stream has a shallow depth. Shouldn't it cost 3 (JD) + 3 (Shallow stream) = 6 MF then?

 

[klasmalmstrom]

Rule SC3.3 defines the Infantry entry cost as 5 MF. I.e., it's not stream entry cost + JD entry cost.

 

[Zugführer]

Thanks. So, am I right that the depth of the stream is shallow? This was the main question.

 

[klasmalmstrom]

Thanks. So, am I wright that the depth of the stream is shallow? This was the main question.

Yes - since, as you wrote, it's not defined in an SSR, then it's shallow.

 

[Zugführer]

Okay. Thank You.

 

[Old Noob]

Shallow stream, but deep in Japanese firepower.

 

[JimWhite]

SC1.4 says Infantry in suitable terrain my set up entrenched.

Does this include Dummy stacks?

Thinking not since definition of Infantry says "all SMC and MMC counters on foot"...but want to make sure.

 

[klasmalmstrom]

SC1.4 says Infantry in suitable terrain my set up entrenched.

Does this include Dummy stacks?

I would assume so.

Even though there are some rules that spell it out "Infantry-(including dummies)" - there are many, many that don't and that clearly means it applies to Dummy stacks as well....

But I guess a Q&A for this one might be in order...

 

[JimWhite]

I would assume so - even though there are some rules that spell it out "Infantry-(including dummies)" - there are many, many that don't and that clearly means it applies to Dummy stacks as well....

I like your interpretation better than mine...LOL

 

[EagleIV]

SC1.4 says Infantry in suitable terrain my set up entrenched.

Does this include Dummy stacks?

Thinking not since definition of Infantry says "all SMC and MMC counters on foot"...but want to make sure.

As you say, the definition of Infantry does not include dummies, so no.

 

[JimWhite]

As you say, the definition of Infantry does not include dummies, so no.

Yeah...I'm thinking no to dummies.

What about Reserves?

 

[el sieve]

Sorry if this has been asked before - in CG1, six Japanese squad equivalents may set up north of the stream - am I reading it right that no leaders or SW or FPP may set up with them? Thanks.

 

[gorkowskij]

Speaking of Suicide Creek, what's the base Night Vision Range in J133 One Miserable Night? Also, can the ammo dumps set up anywhere in hexes less than or equal to 5 or must they be on/adjacent to the corduroy road?

 

[klasmalmstrom]

...what's the base Night Vision Range in J133 One Miserable Night?

SC1.1 EC, WEATHER, & TERRAIN: EC are Mud, with no wind at start. Weather is Overcast (E3.5) and Mud (E3.6). PTO Terrain (G.1) is in effect [EXC: both Light (G2.1) (EX: D7) and Dense (G2.2) (EX: E8) Jungle exist at the same time — Dense Jungle hexes are painted with a darker shade of green and are also identified by a black center dot inside a white circle]. All on-map terrain that is not in play in a given scenario remains in effect for “offboard” movement/entry purposes during that scenario. At night the Base NVR is 2.

Also, can the ammo dumps set up anywhere in hexes less than or equal to 5 or must they be on/adjacent to the corduroy road?

I don't see anything about road, but this applies:

SC7.2 SETUP: A Supply Dump may set up using HIP and must set up in/adjacent to ≥ 1 kunai hex.

 

[gorkowskij]

SC1.1 EC, WEATHER, & TERRAIN: EC are Mud, with no wind at start. Weather is Overcast (E3.5) and Mud (E3.6). PTO Terrain (G.1) is in effect [EXC: both Light (G2.1) (EX: D7) and Dense (G2.2) (EX: E8) Jungle exist at the same time — Dense Jungle hexes are painted with a darker shade of green and are also identified by a black center dot inside a white circle]. All on-map terrain that is not in play in a given scenario remains in effect for “offboard” movement/entry purposes during that scenario. At night the Base NVR is 2.



I don't see anything about road, but this applies:

SC7.2 SETUP: A Supply Dump may set up using HIP and must set up in/adjacent to ≥ 1 kunai hex.

Thanks, I don't have the SC SSR so this is very helpful, crucial in fact.