witchbottles
Forum Guru
The desire to ESB sleaze for an immobilized LVT here is three fold.I have used the sleaze go for an ESB for the maximum of extra MP in order to provoke Immobilization before. If a Crews are by SSR not allowed to voluntarily Abandon their vehicles, this still does not allow them to do so (red). At this point, the manning Crew could use the MG assets firing from the vehicle.
In order to remove the MG armament, the vehicle would first have to be attacked without being destroyed, stunned, shocked, the crew would have to pass its Immobilization TC, remaining in the vehicle. Only afterwards it could voluntarily Abandon it, which opens the path to attempting the removal of its MG armament (green).
So in practice, while this sleaze has a good chance to keep an Immobilized vehicle in place, it seems unlikely to me that its Crew will indeed manage to get out removing MG armament. Probably, the Immobilized vehicle would rather be destroyed before that happens as the LVTs are rather thin-skinned.
In case of an Immobilization of a vehicle under Recall, I believe the Crew would have to Abandon it without the option of MG-Removal and be 'Recalled' on foot, being required to reach the friendly board edge unless doing so would be impossible (say due to a water obstacle). In case of a Beach Landing, I suppose the sea would be the friendly board edge.
In case of an Immobilization before a Recall and not due to ESB, then the 'normal' procedures would apply.
D5.5 IMMOBILIZATION TC: An immediate TC is required of the non-Shocked, non-Stunned Inherent crew of a vehicle [EXC: one in a Water Obstacle; 16.3] that becomes immobilized by any non-CC attack, or that is already bogged/immobilized and is hit by Direct Fire ordnance which fails to destroy, Stun, or Shock it but that would have destroyed or Shocked it with an Original TK or IFT DR of 5. Failure of the TC results in the crew being immediately placed beneath the vehicle (expending all remaining MF) and subject to the Hazardous Movement DRM during that phase (see also 9.3). Place an Abandoned counter on the vehicle (5.41). A crew thus forced to leave its vehicle may not Remove (6.631) any weapons from it. If the TC is passed, the crew may continue to Inherently man it or may abandon it voluntarily (5.41) during its MPh.
I do not know if BRT special rules exist, which would alter this.
That said, if you want to prevent ahistorical ESB sleazing in order to keep some more LVTs on board as firebases, cover or for later Scrounging, you'd need to catch that by an SSR.
von Marwitz
1. the AAMGs can be manned and fired by the inherent crew, and provide a fair amount of FP useful in the game.
2. The LVT (or its wreck), are TEM in a landscape with little to assist the Marines in TEM cover while moving.
3. The LVT, even immobilized, represents a rout destination as long as other conditions for routing are met. The TEM from the LVT or its wreck would allow DM to be removed normally.
6 FP in the VCA + 4 FP in each side to rear CA, offers a good firebase. In this scenario, the Japanese are short on armor penetrating weapons.
So the SSR may need modifications, is our belief.